How many classes are needed in Stock or SS?

Dick Butler · 07-17-2008, 06:19 PM

Thanks Tim, That is the discussion needed. How to get it done.
As for not having a car one thing for sure I have nothing to gain from having friendly discussion about the topics on this or any other site. I am not pushing for any loop hole to make me a FAST SS?(fill in the blank) car by poor factoring, or creating a paper car to look good on paper when the Stats show up.
I enjoy friendly discussions and learning about other peoples points of view and cars and issues that affect them in Drag Racing.
I do feel strongly against the continual push to more Bracket racing with expensive S and SS cars. I think guys who get reward from competing Heads up deserve more attention too. Thats the way it started and has gradually been diluted as I have explained by TOO many classes to choose . I am not sure being creative in a one car class is the whole point of racing... It is afterall about RACING someone. If a class doesnt become populated by some critical number like 10 or 12 or?? should it always be on the books? Does the whole form of racing bend down to the least competitive parts of the racing.

Jim Wahl · 07-18-2008, 12:42 AM

Dick, I am going to speak to you as "friendly" as I possably can. First of all let me tell you that I believe FWD guys have already paid their dues. Our classes were already completely removed from existance. Then after more than one year of debate, pleading, and not so nice conversations with the various NHRA powers that be I was told "ok, if you want to continue to run FWD classes then you reorganize them into 4 classes period." Compton himself made that desision so you can imagine how much thought was put into it! So I did. Later with the help of Chrysler NHRA agreed to a fifth class for the late model FWD performance cars. Sticks and Autos run together with 100lbs. added to all stick combos. You have NEVER had one kind word for FWD cars. Maybe this escapes most of the RWD racers but believe me us FWD guys see it (see Arts comments above) I bet you don't even consider me a real racer, even though I have been racing class cars since I was 18. Maybe if there weren't people like you slamming our cars we would have better car counts in our classes. I can't count the number of times I have been told I was "brave" to run a FWD car and take the abuse and snide remarks from guys like you. Look, I'm not going to say "you don't even race so why listen to you"., but you got your Top Stock and your Jr. Stock and several other heads up classes. now leave the rest of us alone! Now Larry just told you after driving a FWD Stocker for the first time that it was a "hoot". I agree, it is a hoot. There are many others out there who will agree with Larry and me. I'm sorry but if all I had to chose from was a big block Camaro or a small block Firebird (I had one, ask Woodro) I would never race again. I like to be different! I have a SS small block Dodge sitting in my shop right now. It has been covered up for 21 years because I am having fun racing FWD cars! Now I know you have plenty of money and could build or have built just about any car you desire, but I know also you would never own a FWD race car so I'm going to make it easy for you. I challenge you to come to the Southern S/SS Assn. race in Reynolds next week and I will put you behind the wheel of my AF/S SRT4 Neon FWD Stocker. If after you make a pass or two you can honestly say it wasn't a "hoot" I will pay your air fare back home. Now don't worry, after 20 years of driving FWD race cars nobody has ever questioned the size of my penis so I doubt they they would question a big bad opinionated guy like you.

FWD classes have paid their dues, 1) Greatly reduced classes (slashed by 75%) 2) Combined sticks and autos. 3) Index reductions. Now it's your turn!

"Can FWD run in another Wt break is my question. Can they not compete unless by themselves? That is an honest question. How many wt breaks are needed for just FWD What if they all ran in ONE class and had ONE winner to provide to Eliminator?"

Dick, That question shows exactly how much you know about the situation. That has to be the dumbest question I have ever seen on this forum! How about we run ALL Stocker and Super Stockers in one class and one WT. break then race each other in the final? OMG! Dick, have you completely lost it?
Jim

Dennis P Chapman · 07-18-2008, 07:56 AM

Amen Jim well said.

Dennis Stock FWD.

07-17-2008, 06:19 PM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: How many classes are needed in Stock or SS? Thanks Tim, That is the discussion needed. How to get it done. As for not having a car one thing for sure I have nothing to gain from having friendly discussion about the topics on this or any other site. I am not pushing for any loop hole to make me a FAST SS?(fill in the blank) car by poor factoring, or creating a paper car to look good on paper when the Stats show up. I enjoy friendly discussions and learning about other peoples points of view and cars and issues that affect them in Drag Racing. I do feel strongly against the continual push to more Bracket racing with expensive S and SS cars. I think guys who get reward from competing Heads up deserve more attention too. Thats the way it started and has gradually been diluted as I have explained by TOO many classes to choose . I am not sure being creative in a one car class is the whole point of racing... It is afterall about RACING someone. If a class doesnt become populated by some critical number like 10 or 12 or?? should it always be on the books? Does the whole form of racing bend down to the least competitive parts of the racing. Last edited by Dick Butler; 07-17-2008 at 06:21 PM.

07-18-2008, 12:42 AM	#2
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,845 Likes: 672 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: How many classes are needed in Stock or SS? Dick, I am going to speak to you as "friendly" as I possably can. First of all let me tell you that I believe FWD guys have already paid their dues. Our classes were already completely removed from existance. Then after more than one year of debate, pleading, and not so nice conversations with the various NHRA powers that be I was told "ok, if you want to continue to run FWD classes then you reorganize them into 4 classes period." Compton himself made that desision so you can imagine how much thought was put into it! So I did. Later with the help of Chrysler NHRA agreed to a fifth class for the late model FWD performance cars. Sticks and Autos run together with 100lbs. added to all stick combos. You have NEVER had one kind word for FWD cars. Maybe this escapes most of the RWD racers but believe me us FWD guys see it (see Arts comments above) I bet you don't even consider me a real racer, even though I have been racing class cars since I was 18. Maybe if there weren't people like you slamming our cars we would have better car counts in our classes. I can't count the number of times I have been told I was "brave" to run a FWD car and take the abuse and snide remarks from guys like you. Look, I'm not going to say "you don't even race so why listen to you"., but you got your Top Stock and your Jr. Stock and several other heads up classes. now leave the rest of us alone! Now Larry just told you after driving a FWD Stocker for the first time that it was a "hoot". I agree, it is a hoot. There are many others out there who will agree with Larry and me. I'm sorry but if all I had to chose from was a big block Camaro or a small block Firebird (I had one, ask Woodro) I would never race again. I like to be different! I have a SS small block Dodge sitting in my shop right now. It has been covered up for 21 years because I am having fun racing FWD cars! Now I know you have plenty of money and could build or have built just about any car you desire, but I know also you would never own a FWD race car so I'm going to make it easy for you. I challenge you to come to the Southern S/SS Assn. race in Reynolds next week and I will put you behind the wheel of my AF/S SRT4 Neon FWD Stocker. If after you make a pass or two you can honestly say it wasn't a "hoot" I will pay your air fare back home. Now don't worry, after 20 years of driving FWD race cars nobody has ever questioned the size of my penis so I doubt they they would question a big bad opinionated guy like you. FWD classes have paid their dues, 1) Greatly reduced classes (slashed by 75%) 2) Combined sticks and autos. 3) Index reductions. Now it's your turn! "Can FWD run in another Wt break is my question. Can they not compete unless by themselves? That is an honest question. How many wt breaks are needed for just FWD What if they all ran in ONE class and had ONE winner to provide to Eliminator?" Dick, That question shows exactly how much you know about the situation. That has to be the dumbest question I have ever seen on this forum! How about we run ALL Stocker and Super Stockers in one class and one WT. break then race each other in the final? OMG! Dick, have you completely lost it? Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 07-20-2008 at 08:59 PM.

07-18-2008, 07:56 AM	#3
Dennis P Chapman VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toms River NJ Posts: 1,594 Likes: 425 Liked 53 Times in 25 Posts	Re: How many classes are needed in Stock or SS? Amen Jim well said. Dennis Stock FWD. __________________ Dennis P Chapman 1904 STK NHRA National Record Holder Car Owner.