Ford in Comp Eliminator?????

[Michael Lyons]

D3's are the way to go, or SC1 depending on rules, but heck they're just silly rules and nobody else really follows em anyways..

And thats why I musta got banned cause I wrote a reply about how a certain sanctioning body changes rules to accomodate people running illegal parts i.e. the retro fuel head rule change at the beginning of the year. The A/ED carb rule change a couple years ago(i'm kinda responsible for that one I think) The econo cylinder head rule changes in comp 3 years ago... and theres probably more but hey who's counting?.. Like I said I never swore in the post but it was removed and I was banned... said it was for language.. All I said was 100% truth nothing more, nothing less...

[comp 670]

I ran a Ford probe C/A in div 6 around 1999-2001. I built a 356 with yates heads and was able to run .58 under the index at the time. Today a Ford could still be competitive in comp,down in aus the pro stocks are 400 ci and fords are doing well there.

There is nothing really holding fords back these days,the parts really don't cost that much more then the chevy stuff and you have to remember all the good chevy heads are based off the splayed valve yates head....

If I was not able to get Hurleys T-bird like I did I would be building a new C/A mustang to race.Howie Stevens should have his new Don Ness built mustang real soon and it will run either B/A or C/A and I think it will be very competitive.He has some killer heads that are as good as anything out there.My friend holds the C/A record right now with a splayed valve chevy deal and Howies stuff is better by far then his.

A Ford can be done in comp...I think nobody does it because you are pretty much on your own,no going to the local engine builder and ordering a .65 under engine..

[Travis Gusso]

My brother, Trent and I have recently built the Super Mod Mustang on the first page of this thread. We are attempting to run E/SM with a 318" wedge-headed piece. The first outing was the Brainerd div 5 race back in May. The car ran a 9.05 on the first pass with the new motor, which is just short of -.10 under the index - not too shabby for a home-built car and a couple of guys who have only ever ran Stock Eliminator. That weekend ended up a bust as we went into the bellhousing and proceeded to slow the car down every pass with our "wise" clutch adjustments! We have done only limited testing locally since and slowly but surely we are sneaking up on the clutch set-up, etc. The motor is far from a "killer" - I think if we get the set-up perfect the combo is good for -.30 or so, probably not much more.

Everyone thinks that the Ford's are too expensive to build campared to the GM stuff. That is a farce! Ford's aren't expensive... Comp is! Call Eaton enterprises and ask them what they get for a new carb-to-pan SB2 Chevy... I guarantee you that a pretty stout Ford can be built on that budget! Where the GM stuff has the clear advantage is in raw numbers... many more cars, engine combos, approved heads, engine builders, etc. The "r&d" field is huge compared to other makes.

For example, a guy goes to Panella for a motor and has a falling out. He then takes that motor to Patterson for freshening. After a fall out with Patterson he takes the motor to Eaton... see the pattern? They have all seen each others stuff and taken the "good stuff" from each. Pretty hard to do that with Ford stuff when there are only a hand-full out there, if that. The other advantage that the GM guys have, specifically in Super Mod, is the number of good heads that GM has made available. You are really limited when looking for a good head (especially a wedge) with a Ford part number. The gap is not quite as wide with the Yates canted/splayed valves stuff, but I do believe that the GM splayed stuff is better than the Yates stuff on average.

We will keep plugging away. A Ford CAN definitely be competitive - it is just a lot steeper of a hill to climb as we are mostly doing it alone. Who knows, maybe I will have to fall inline and be a good little boy with a automatic and a Cobalt - ever seen one of those?!?

-tg

[RPM5595]

Travis, long time! You have a PM.

Jay Roeder

[thewrench3]

I think you will do just fine. If you can survive stock eliminator you will do fine in comp.

[G Schenck]

Originally Posted by Travis Gusso

My brother, Trent and I have recently built the Super Mod Mustang on the first page of this thread. We are attempting to run E/SM with a 318" wedge-headed piece. The first outing was the Brainerd div 5 race back in May. The car ran a 9.05 on the first pass with the new motor, which is just short of -.10 under the index - not too shabby for a home-built car and a couple of guys who have only ever ran Stock Eliminator. That weekend ended up a bust as we went into the bellhousing and proceeded to slow the car down every pass with our "wise" clutch adjustments! We have done only limited testing locally since and slowly but surely we are sneaking up on the clutch set-up, etc. The motor is far from a "killer" - I think if we get the set-up perfect the combo is good for -.30 or so, probably not much more.

Everyone thinks that the Ford's are too expensive to build campared to the GM stuff. That is a farce! Ford's aren't expensive... Comp is! Call Eaton enterprises and ask them what they get for a new carb-to-pan SB2 Chevy... I guarantee you that a pretty stout Ford can be built on that budget! Where the GM stuff has the clear advantage is in raw numbers... many more cars, engine combos, approved heads, engine builders, etc. The "r&d" field is huge compared to other makes.

For example, a guy goes to Panella for a motor and has a falling out. He then takes that motor to Patterson for freshening. After a fall out with Patterson he takes the motor to Eaton... see the pattern? They have all seen each others stuff and taken the "good stuff" from each. Pretty hard to do that with Ford stuff when there are only a hand-full out there, if that. The other advantage that the GM guys have, specifically in Super Mod, is the number of good heads that GM has made available. You are really limited when looking for a good head (especially a wedge) with a Ford part number. The gap is not quite as wide with the Yates canted/splayed valves stuff, but I do believe that the GM splayed stuff is better than the Yates stuff on average.

We will keep plugging away. A Ford CAN definitely be competitive - it is just a lot steeper of a hill to climb as we are mostly doing it alone. Who knows, maybe I will have to fall inline and be a good little boy with a automatic and a Cobalt - ever seen one of those?!?

-tg

Travis, I see you are entered at INDY. I will try to look you up.

Greg

[Freddie]

I have been running in the NMRA, and working out my combination. I have enough to run with the NMRA guys in thier heads up Hot Street, but dont think it will cut it in Super Mod yet. I am working with some new parts this year and a bigger budget than I have ever had, so this may be the year I try to move up. Only problem is its a 2800# car with a 360 inch motor with Yates heads and a Dart Aluminum Block.

Is the Aluminum Block legal in comp?

[FED 387]

OEM block MANDATORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 in A thru I /sm--Comp387

[Freddie]

Rule book only says OEM spacing mandatory. does not say it has to be a OEM part # block and if thats the case what Block are all the Ford guys running? none of the stock blocks will hold the HP needed to run the power they are making.