S/SS - Lower the index -0.50 & run Pro ladder

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by bsa633

I just think it looks stupid to run 1.3 sec or more under the index..but thats just me.

I agree, factor the motors somewhere close to correct and that will take care of the "enhancements" of recent years. It dosen't really matter where the index is. If the baddest hotrod there goes 6 under then it is in the #1 spot. Same difference. You aren't curing any problem, you are just shuffling numbers around.

NEVER take hard work and testing out of the game. That is what makes this fun. But don't screw with the #1 spot on the sheet when you are 30-50 hp soft based on previous performance and think that is an indicator of what an index should be. Its not hard to see what is wrong when the et vs. mph dosen't add up.

Indexes are definitely softer but in my case the same combo I was running then has been factored until it is running 3 classes faster (lower) by todays index numbers.

[Ron Ortiz]

Eliminating the trigger is a solution to alot of problems facing the racers and would be an encouragment to a performance based category.

There are many cars out there capable of running more than a second under. Every one of them fear of going 1.4 under by accident or not, because of the penalties that will follow. In all honesty, if the car is legal and capable of going that far under, it is probably factored incorrectly according to NHRA's standards. So, whether the car is legal or not, to maintain this advantage one must "protect" their combo by sand bagging or nose dipping at a 1,000. I'm sorry, but thats not entertainment to anyone, spectators, racers, pets, you name it, it does not represent drag racing or a performance based category. I understand about holding back a little (wise strategy) to set up an opponent for an upcoming race, but not doing it an entire season.

I hear all the time about racers wanting to run their car all the way out, but can't due to the trigger. If everyone was allowed to run fast as they wnat, it would be so much fun. Bragging rights would be more credible, competition would be more finely tuned, and drag racing would be like it is stated, drag racing.

As someone said on here, lowering the index or changing the trigger level, is only shuffling numbers. And as I stated before, lowering the indexes is is only beneficial to those who are within range of the horsepower fairy.

Most racers started out above the index and worked their way to where they are now. Leaving the indexes alone would still serve the same purpose. The problem now exists when you start going too far under the index. Don't lower the index to prevent from going under too far, raise the other end of the equation. Raising the trigger is a temporary band aid. Eliminating the trigger allows for all out performance.

It will benefit the evaluation process in the long run. After about a year or so, it will be evident who needs HP and who does not. There are too many people pointing fingers at who should be getting a HP hit. Well, with all the sand bagging currently going on, what does it matter. If they are legal, it is going to be the same story without a trigger

This trigger elimination is just my opinion to benefit Stock, for the racers, the spectators, the sport, and yes, even the pets. They do not it like when their owners come back from a run that went too far under.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Did I mention T/S & T/D

[OLD INJUN]

Why don't we see any a through e stock guys complaining? This looks like to me that the only people complaining are the ones that bought there car off joe's used car lot for $1,500.00 and put a (header) and slicks on it and went racing. N.h.r.a. Should just start factoring the sh_ _ out of every car till they all run the same flat out like pro stock. Then you would have some good racing !

[Ed Wright]

[QUOTE=OLD INJUN;82482]Why don't we see any a through e stock guys complaining? QUOTE]


Seems like the lower class Stock guys are the ones that start whining, crying, and making derogatory coments about other's intelect, when guys talk about going more performance based. I was suprised to see my index was 2/10th higher in 1998. Why in the world did they raise them? Already soft. When I quit first time in 1979 they weren't that soft. It's getting more like the old AHRA, used to be: too many classes (many guys would run classes with few-to-no other entrys) and too-soft standards. Lots of tire smoke at the finish line.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Eliminating the trigger is a solution to alot of problems facing the racers and would be an encouragment to a performance based category.

There are many cars out there capable of running more than a second under. Every one of them fear of going 1.4 under by accident or not, because of the penalties that will follow. In all honesty, if the car is legal and capable of going that far under, it is probably factored incorrectly according to NHRA's standards. So, whether the car is legal or not, to maintain this advantage one must "protect" their combo by sand bagging or nose dipping at a 1,000. I'm sorry, but thats not entertainment to anyone, spectators, racers, pets, you name it, it does not represent drag racing or a performance based category. I understand about holding back a little (wise strategy) to set up an opponent for an upcoming race, but not doing it an entire season.

I hear all the time about racers wanting to run their car all the way out, but can't due to the trigger. If everyone was allowed to run fast as they wnat, it would be so much fun. Bragging rights would be more credible, competition would be more finely tuned, and drag racing would be like it is stated, drag racing.

As someone said on here, lowering the index or changing the trigger level, is only shuffling numbers. And as I stated before, lowering the indexes is is only beneficial to those who are within range of the horsepower fairy.

Most racers started out above the index and worked their way to where they are now. Leaving the indexes alone would still serve the same purpose. The problem now exists when you start going too far under the index. Don't lower the index to prevent from going under too far, raise the other end of the equation. Raising the trigger is a temporary band aid. Eliminating the trigger allows for all out performance.

It will benefit the evaluation process in the long run. After about a year or so, it will be evident who needs HP and who does not. There are too many people pointing fingers at who should be getting a HP hit. Well, with all the sand bagging currently going on, what does it matter. If they are legal, it is going to be the same story without a trigger

This trigger elimination is just my opinion to benefit Stock, for the racers, the spectators, the sport, and yes, even the pets. They do not it like when their owners come back from a run that went too far under.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Did I mention T/S & T/D

Good post...Ron hits a lot of good points such as the trigger. I agree with Ron that the trigger holds back many combinations of showing how fast they can go. If the trigger was lifted, then the combinations could be factored better.

[Alan Roehrich]

Once again, for those who propose eliminating the "trigger", I ask this:

If there is no "trigger", when, and by what means, will HP be adjusted?

[Dick Butler]

Trigger should be close enough to DO something for HP system. If it is true the Index drops .2 next year the index should move MORE so it would be more sensitive and not less. Without this there is NO correction.

[Ron Ortiz]

Alan, Dick, the correction will be the same as it is now. Only instead of getting immediate HP adjustments, it will be done at a later point in time, maybe a year from now. By that time it should be obvious what combos need an adjustment. Eliminating the trigger allows for people to run it out now and quit playing this stupid sand bagging, nose dipping actions. Adjustments will come later so now you have the opportunity to flex your muscle.

Lowering the indexes is just moving numbers around to satisfy the ones who are close to the majic 1.4 under rule.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA

[art leong]

With no trigger. They could go back to the old methods.
Ouija boards, dart boards, personal vendetas, and last but far from least WHINERS, CRYBABIES and the like.
For me I'll take my chances with a number.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Alan, Dick, the correction will be the same as it is now. Only instead of getting immediate HP adjustments, it will be done at a later point in time, maybe a year from now. By that time it should be obvious what combos need an adjustment. Eliminating the trigger allows for people to run it out now and quit playing this stupid sand bagging, nose dipping actions. Adjustments will come later so now you have the opportunity to flex your muscle.

Lowering the indexes is just moving numbers around to satisfy the ones who are close to the majic 1.4 under rule.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA

Ron,
I have to say that makes no sense at all. It isn't the "trigger" they're afraid of, it's the HP adjustment. So it does not matter that there is no "trigger", you still get HP. What you propose is removal of the 1.4 under instant HP Monday morning, correct? And the 1.14 under trigger for "evaluation" remains in effect? Hell, people work just as hard now not to hit 1.14 under as they do 1.4 under. HP is HP, it does not matter if you get it tomorrow, or 6 months later, it's still HP. And you'll still get as much, too. Hell, just for fun look into it and find out if, over all, more HP isn't given by evaluation than by the instant Monday HP after a 1.4 under shot. A smart guy with a fast car will work to avoid a 1.14 under pass if at all possible, and by doing so will also avoid a 1.4 under pass. Taking away the 1.4 under instant HP won't change that for damned sure. And there's a LOT more "bracket mode", "sandbagging", and "dumping" to avoid 1.14 under than there is to avoid 1.4 under. I just don't see what your suggestion will accomplish at all, at least with regards to your stated goal.