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How about in Super Stock Modified where the automatic cars get up to a 250lbs. weight break and run on the same index as the stick cars. Every record in Super Stock Modified is held by automatic cars.
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A good comparison is the SS/AH cars of the Westcotts. At a recent test session Jr. went 8.50 @ 155 with the auto and Sr. went 8.51 @ 158 with the stick. Same track, same day, same air. I know that the 4-speed is 40 lbs lighter but it also doesn't use the radial.
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Bruce,
I am not championing this cause, I just chimed in after the point was made that sticks are simply better because of direct drive and better mph. That is simply not true. Nor can you say just because one car is fast that sticks are quicker than autos, as some would suggest. I just don't like it when people don't tell the whole story. We all know stick cars mph better, but all the facts were not talked about. I really don't care if the indexes are changed for the stick cars, because I don't run heads-up in eliminatons against autos. I just wanted to make a point that all the facts should be considered if you are going to compare which cars are faster. Evan
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Really after thinking about it some more, the stick guys should be happy and I should shut up. Presently I'm .10 further away from a HP increase than my SS/HA competitors and Rob youngblood is .200 further away than his SS/JA competitors (I'm referring of course to the weight break each designation falls into). I'm getting some things tweaked on my car and suspect it could put me dangerously close to AHFS re-factoring territory.
I had the same thing happen when the east coast racers complained about the factored tracks out west a few years ago. That move lifted about .15 off my runs and made it easier to stay off the AHFS hit. By the way, I started to post the spread on the SS indexes but don't see much sense in it. But it sure is ugly!
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Jeff,
The records are not the standard in all cases. Look at Nitro Joes stats over the last year. There are a few runs that are faster then current records. The SS/K record is a pefect example. The record is about .40 slower then it could be. Records mean nothing to NHRA so most don't worry about setting them. In several classes the fastest run of the year is within a .10 but what do you do about the classes that are .2-.4 faster. Nobody has answered the question what do you do with the couple classes where the stick is at an incredible advantage. I run both stick and automatics so I don't think I have an agenda one way or the other. Our stick car doesn't have really any of the newest tricks yet it's capable of running with the majority of the automatic cars in the same class. Last year there were more SS/JA cars then there were stick cars in all of the traditional SS classes. Yet between SS and GT classes nine times the stick car had a faster best actual ET. Now these were all done in different weather conditions and altitudes but that gives you a more broad persceptive then looking at the record page. It is feasable currently in several classes but you can't make the assumption that sticks and autos run the same in A/S so let's combine all of them. Plus tell me this if they were to combine classes what do you do with cars that either didn't come as a stick or those that didn't come as an auto? Personally I'd love to make my Olds a stick car. Rick Ryan |
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