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In reference to your comment, "Why does everybody want to keep changing the rules?" Keep changing the rules? KEEP CHANGING THE RULES??? This rule is FORTY SEVEN YEARS OLD!!! Has never been changed! At the time it was instituted, there was a similar rule: "First car to 'break out' loses." I don't know if you were racing back then, but I was. They (NHRA) figured out how to fix that situation very quickly, and did. They probably would have fixed the first red light rule at the same time, but did not have the necessary software, yet, so they buried it . Over the years, people got used to it. I know I did. It took several hours of thinking about it (after having it explained to me by a guy who was a lot smarter than I am) for me to "get it." That's how buried in tradition, I was, But even ~I~ eventually "got it." They had buried it by never trying to change the "so-simple-a-cave-man-can -understand-it" FIRST RED LIGHT LOSES in a handicapped race, even though the software to alleviate this obviously unfair situation has been around for years. Why? NHRA is run by a bunch of .....well, lets just say that unless it's going to benefit them, monetarily, they simply have no interest in doing it... It wasn't always that way, but it's been that way for a while. Would you like to RETURN to the original "First Car to Break Out" system, and keep it, on the same basis that you think this red light business can continue to be swept under the carpet, under the the idiotic rationale of "That's the way it's always been???" No.... I wouldn't think so. It's the same situation, you know... same concept. Then, let me get this straight: you want to keep the "worst breakout loses" rule, but defy logic by NOT changing to a worst red light rule... Explain the logic of that one for the folks, if you will, please. I know you will..... oh yes, you will!!!! It will be an explanation devoid of logic because there's only one way you operate in a scenario like this; kill the messenger! Personal attacks, snide comments about the person who disagrees with you and anything pejorative or derogatory that you think will supplant logic and an overview of sportsmanship or fairness, but that's your way of fighting the issue, if there's "no way out." And, there's not.... I'm waiting. ![]()
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Why is it that the following is considered unfair or nonsensical?
Everyone shall have an equal opportunity to red light. As the starting line system is a basic fundamental, EVERYONE must take a shot at the tree. No one shall ever deprived of an opportunity to red light. Or, wouldn't this make as much sense as the current situation: The LAST car to red light shall always be the loser. If you are always the LAST car to leave and find this unfair, then simply learn how to drive and don't redlight. Or, build a slower car. |
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I'd love to see some data on how many races that rule would have affected. Problem is that a lot of fast cars, when giving a big enough spot will just leave when they see their opponents red light, that would skew the numbers.
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I think the return of the 57 chevy to stock is great, think about how these cars helped mold the face of sportsman racing from Jr. stock on, look at the people that have raced one. like my hereo's Jimmy Waibel, Bob Dennis, Charlie Cason, Bruce Wilkerson and many many more. I am looking to see about rebuilding dads fugitive with the big W on the door. just to be able to run one has been a dream of mine not to mention the speeds they ran in the day with only 7" tires wow what can they run on 10" tires. my big question is how many will be built as a stick car like they were?
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Plain and simple,you don't race S/SS now.Except for a few key board racers the system seems to work very well I can't believe you actually gave this subject hours of thought.Must have put a real strain on your old tired brain. I have no problem with the red light rule as is and I never will.I also think the breakout rule is correct as written. So Bill,go back to your bracket racing friends and tell them just how stupid and stubborn those S/SS racers are for not changing the rules to your liking.And do as Chad suggested.Get your local track to implement them in your bracket program. From a kinder and gentler Ed F.
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Jeremy, I remember your Dad runnning the "57" at Phoenix City in the early 60's but I don't recall if it was a 4 spd.???.
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Larry: Thanks, we appreciate it; we actually just redid the paint job on the car this past winter and we were surprised ourselves that the color combination turned out as good as it did. Dad wanted to bring back an older nastagia looking paint job with the stripes.
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Ed, I knew you wouldn't disappoint me! ("I see they let you out of the asylum again hey Dedman?")
You also didn't disappoint by admitting that you're amazed that I actually spent hours thinking about the red light rule. You obviously haven't spent enough time thinking about it, because you still don't understand it. You say you agree with the breakout rule as it is written. I think everyone does, but it wasn't always written this way; it had to be CHANGED to get away from "first car to breakout, loses" to the rule we have, now. Time to change the first redlight rule to match it. You wouldn't want to race under inconsistent rules, would you? Or would you? In your last post, you imply that I am in an insane asylum, yet you offer nothing but your own opinion when faced with the problem of presenting a logical argument as to why the antiquated, unfair and easy-to-fix red light rule shouldn't be changed. I said that type of response would be your choice (you can look it up), and you came through for me!!!!! The more things (about you) change, the more they stay the same.... Thanks, Ed~ ![]()
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Jeremy, did I not see your dads 57 chevy painted on the den wall at his house in Lakeland? FrankChastain
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