Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by KMachine

Thats a name I haven't heard about in awhile. I spent a week at Roy's shop in 1990. Roy brought a seri 100 and I had to set it up and get it working.

LOL, Roy sure like to drink and talk.

I know Roy well....He likes to drink more than talk......LOL. Great machinist.

[BadBanana]

I believe that is correct about both Hoffman and Tryson at Jenkins' shop - no CK10. Extreme care however to get the cylinders so that they would be as round as possible after assembly.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Sunnen CK-10,
What I should have stated,,,,,,,it made things a little easier,,,,,
than honing with a hand-held Craftsman drill,,,,especially on regular engine rebuilds.
And if the wrong machinist was operating the CK-10,,,,,,,,tapered cylinder walls,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

We followed the old rule,,,,,,,,if we were going .040 over,,,,,,,,
Bore the cylinder with a Rottler boring bar .034 over to get a proper
'square cylinder'......
and the final .006 were honed,,,,,,,,,
and don't forget the B-H-J block plate,,,,,,,,,
I think we used #AN-400 or AN-500 stones for the Sunnen Hone,,,,,
Extra-fine finish 400 grit,,,,or the 'N' series stones

Before the Sunnen CK-10, my father like many machinists,,,,,,used the old school
Sunnen portable honing stand,,,,,a Craftsman drill and the Sunnen AN-111 portable
hone,,,,,,,,,,,,,a nice finish and beautiful cross-hatch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but what a mess with
that Sunnen Honing Oil,,,,,,,,oil soak-filled pants, shirt and shoes,,,,,,GEEZ

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Sunnen CK-10,
What I should have stated,,,,,,,it made things a little easier,,,,,
than honing with a hand-held Craftsman drill,,,,especially on regular engine rebuilds.
And if the wrong machinist was operating the CK-10,,,,,,,,tapered cylinder walls,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

We followed the old rule,,,,,,,,if we were going .040 over,,,,,,,,
Bore the cylinder with a Rottler boring bar .034 over to get a proper
'square cylinder'......
and the final .006 were honed,,,,,,,,,
and don't forget the B-H-J block plate,,,,,,,,,
I think we used #AN-400 or AN-500 stones for the Sunnen Hone,,,,,
Extra-fine finish 400 grit,,,,or the 'N' series stones

Before the Sunnen CK-10, my father like many machinists,,,,,,used the old school
Sunnen portable honing stand,,,,,a Craftsman drill and the Sunnen AN-111 portable
hone,,,,,,,,,,,,,a nice finish and beautiful cross-hatch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but what a mess with
that Sunnen Honing Oil,,,,,,,,oil soak-filled pants, shirt and shoes,,,,,,GEEZ

That honing stand kept you from hitting the main caps and chipping the honing stones......X's 2 on the mess.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Mr. X,,,,,

On hitting the main cap or block web,,,,,,,,,,,,,sometimes you still hit
those 'bastards',,,,,,,,,,man, my father would scream,,,,,,,
and them stones weren't cheap,,,,,,,,,

When the CK-10 first came out, the Sunnen Rep (Frank Stiemstress, sic) sold them like crazy,,,,,,,,,,
About $8000 for one, back in the early 70's.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Mr. X,,,,,

On hitting the main cap or block web,,,,,,,,,,,,,sometimes you still hit
those 'bastards',,,,,,,,,,man, my father would scream,,,,,,,
and them stones weren't cheap,,,,,,,,,

When the CK-10 first came out, the Sunnen Rep (Frank Stiemstress, sic) sold them like crazy,,,,,,,,,,
About $8000 for one, back in the early 70's.

Heh Heh yeah Ive chipped a few in my day to. In fact I still have my hone.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Back To Jack Werst and the 70' Superbird,,

Information from a Jack Werst article,,
1) The Superbird was an original 4-speed Hemi car.

2) In August 1970, the car underwent a 4-week preperation, to get ready to compete at the 70' Indy Nationals. It's primary goal, to specifically go after Ray Allen in the SS/EA class, and hopefully knock him out, so the other Mopar Super/Stockers would have an easier road to go in
S/S Eliminator.

3) According to the article, the Hemi engine installed in the Superbird
was a 'bit' bigger than stock. But an exact displacement was not
mentioned.

4) Modifications included;
*) a set back engine
*) JR Headers, w/special bends, required as the engine was set back)
*) wheels re-positioned
*) a 300 lb. tail wing
*) a 'super heavy' back window (1/2" thickness, double-glass)
*) lightened nose-piece (.018" thickness, 60% lighter than the standard nose-piece)
*) light sheet metal hood (.018" thickness, 60% lighter than the standard hood)
*) 'chemically engineered' doors and fenders (acid dipped)

[KMachine]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I know Roy well....He likes to drink more than talk......LOL. Great machinist.

Terry,
A quick story on, Roy.
When I worked for Seri, Me and another guy would go in and set up the machines that the salesmen sold.

I called, Roy and told him I would be there on a monday. Roy, ask me how I was going to get to his place. I told him I would fly into Dulles and take a taxi to his place. Roy told me no way. I said what do you mean? Roy said fly into Dullas and take the blueline train to addison road. When you get there call me.

So I did. Roy came and picked me up and I spent one of the best weeks of my life with a good guy.


Roy, took me back to the motel every night as well as picking me up every morning. I lost contact with Roy and haven't spoken to him since 2001 or 2002.

Roy, told me lot of stories about drag racing and nhra in the 60's. He also had a few good Jenkins,stories from being a tech inspecter.

I think, Roy even built a few billet cranks for, Jenkins V-6 comp motors.

[KMachine]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Sunnen CK-10,
What I should have stated,,,,,,,it made things a little easier,,,,,
than honing with a hand-held Craftsman drill,,,,especially on regular engine rebuilds.
And if the wrong machinist was operating the CK-10,,,,,,,,tapered cylinder walls,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

We followed the old rule,,,,,,,,if we were going .040 over,,,,,,,,
Bore the cylinder with a Rottler boring bar .034 over to get a proper
'square cylinder'......
and the final .006 were honed,,,,,,,,,
and don't forget the B-H-J block plate,,,,,,,,,
I think we used #AN-400 or AN-500 stones for the Sunnen Hone,,,,,
Extra-fine finish 400 grit,,,,or the 'N' series stones

Before the Sunnen CK-10, my father like many machinists,,,,,,used the old school
Sunnen portable honing stand,,,,,a Craftsman drill and the Sunnen AN-111 portable
hone,,,,,,,,,,,,,a nice finish and beautiful cross-hatch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but what a mess with
that Sunnen Honing Oil,,,,,,,,oil soak-filled pants, shirt and shoes,,,,,,GEEZ

Thats how I did it. I couldn't wait to use my new rottler F2B. I was used to using a kwik-way deck mounted boring bar.
After about 2 years of using my rottler I went back to my kwik-way.

With the kwik-way I would square up the decks on a storm85B mill with the BHJ tooling and then mount the kwik-way on the deck and bore the clyinders

In 1997 I brought a RMC1000 boring mill and never looked back. Jenkins helped me make that choice.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by KMachine

Terry,
A quick story on, Roy.
When I worked for Seri, Me and another guy would go in and set up the machines that the salesmen sold.

I called, Roy and told him I would be there on a monday. Roy, ask me how I was going to get to his place. I told him I would fly into Dulles and take a taxi to his place. Roy told me no way. I said what do you mean? Roy said fly into Dullas and take the blueline train to addison road. When you get there call me.

So I did. Roy came and picked me up and I spent one of the best weeks of my life with a good guy.


Roy, took me back to the motel every night as well as picking me up every morning. I lost contact with Roy and haven't spoken to him since 2001 or 2002.

Roy, told me lot of stories about drag racing and nhra in the 60's. He also had a few good Jenkins,stories from being a tech inspecter.

I think, Roy even built a few billet cranks for, Jenkins V-6 comp motors.

Yes he is a great guy. I bought a new K.O. Lee seat and guide machine thru him in the late 1980's. He got me the good tooling for Hi performance work and Harley work. Had a few cranks done by him for my car and a few others. Its been maybe 19-20 years since I had talked to him. Heard a lot of cool stories from the 60's. Most of the guys used his shop then as there wasnt any other or better one around in the 60;s.