Going DEEP....

[JOE ZOOM]

Originally Posted by John H186

Joe, the car Bucks was running at Piedmont was mine. We doubled it and he got down to 6 cars in the 20k on Saturday and got down to 10 cars Sunday in the 5k when they split due to rain. As expected, Bob was a machine and yes, he and I were deep. Most of the guys there were deep and the 20k winner was also. It's really just car and driver preference as to who does what. Yes you can be very good shallow, no doubt but a lot of footbrake bracket guys prefer deep.

Hey John you and Tracy have a Merry Christmas...

[philbilly]

Bob Mullaney is one of the best ever on the starting line!! He can deep stage a 6 flat car. I don't deep stage nor do I mind it. I respect anyone that can be that patient.

[1320racer]

Bob, has DEEP staged a 5.70 car and won big $ doing it.

[Mike Pearson]

The bracket guys just put some more delay in the box when they deep stage. The delay box lets them adjust to most any situation unlike us true bottom bulb racers that don't use or the rules wont allow a delay box. Its still a game of numbers. Better reaction time and closer to the dial will win every time no matter how you stage or how much MPH your car has.

[Robert Simpson]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

The bracket guys just put some more delay in the box when they deep stage. The delay box lets them adjust to most any situation unlike us true bottom bulb racers that don't use or the rules wont allow a delay box. Its still a game of numbers. Better reaction time and closer to the dial will win every time no matter how you stage or how much MPH your car has.

Mike, I believe you are mistaken about this. This subject I took it was footbrakers who deep stage not delay box racers. Every time I watched Bob on TV he was footbraking and always deep staged. I Deep stage my street car and I have problems at one of the tracks that will not honor the time to deep stage. I don't mean dragging your feet, I mean on the converter before the first light is lit and constant roal forward untill deep. The time given to some deepstagers on TV would not work at my track. But, I would not outlaw it at all. Put it on the window and stage up. I remember the saying "Deep Staging in Not a Crime" Take care.

[Ed Wright]

Deep staging also makes your et show up slower. You can run a hundredth or more (Depending on the car, tires, etc) faster than your dial and it doesn't show up. Hard to beat somebody actually breaking out a hundredth, but not showing on the clocks, in a close race.
That is the only complaint I ever heard about it. A fast reacting SS car can't get a green light deep staging. I don't think anybody really cares how long it takes the other car to stage. Some guys, probably just to annoy the other guy, screw around and take a long time to stage shallow.

[philbilly]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Deep staging also makes your et show up slower. You can run a hundredth or more (Depending on the car, tires, etc) faster than your dial and it doesn't show up. Hard to beat somebody actually breaking out a hundredth, but not showing on the clocks, in a close race.
That is the only complaint I ever heard about it. A fast reacting SS car can't get a green light deep staging. I don't think anybody really cares how long it takes the other car to stage. Some guys, probably just to annoy the other guy, screw around and take a long time to stage shallow.

Correct me here but how can u go faster and it not show?? Deep staging can kill a tenth of et but it's gonna show..
Everyone that doesn't like it don't understand. Others are just confused!
I don't deep stage at all. At these big money races they cater to the deep stager by no auto start. The shallow stagers are on a timer. My only complaint.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Deep staging also makes your et show up slower. You can run a hundredth or more (Depending on the car, tires, etc) faster than your dial and it doesn't show up. Hard to beat somebody actually breaking out a hundredth, but not showing on the clocks, in a close race. That is the only complaint I ever heard about it.

what you are stating makes no sense and is no more true for DEEP stagers than it is for shallow stagers that HOLD. As philbilly has stated, for the cars in this discussion, the difference in 60 foot and ET from shallow to deep is typically between .09 and a tenth.

A fast reacting SS car can't get a green light deep staging..

Again, not true.

[Mike Pearson]

My car would be way red leaving on the flash of the bulb if deep staged. I am typically .010 - 020 shallow staged with a 3 inch button with no shim on the flash of the bottom bulb using a blinder. I adjust the leave chip to adjust to the tree.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

what you are stating makes no sense and is no more true for DEEP stagers than it is for shallow stagers that HOLD. As philbilly has stated, for the cars in this discussion, the difference in 60 foot and ET from shallow to deep is typically between .09 and a tenth.

Again, not true.

So, you think deep staging actually slows the car? Really? It looks slower on the clocks. Doesn't take one bit longer to get down the track. And, it is not near a tenth with my car.
Maybe a slow enough car. Can't do it now anyway, so doesn't really matter. Right?