1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' - Page 16

Hemi Moose · 02-29-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Carlson

Spent time racing with Gary Doose and his "Supply Wagon" in Amarillo, early to mid '70s. Anyone have photos?
Rick Carlson

Here's a couple of shots of the '62 Dodge station wagon called the 'Supply Wagon'...

Hemi Moose · 02-29-2012, 04:59 PM

Here's a few shots of a '62 Dodge Dart 330 station wagon called 'The Music Box'...

Here's the related article...

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...ng_dodge_dart/

Denny Dormaier · 02-29-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

Denny, do you have anymore old pics of this one...do you still have it or know what ever happened to it.

HM,
I sold the car to a guy who lived outside of Myrtle Point, Oregon. He painted the car and installed a 440. He raced it at Woodburn occasionally, but most of his action was at an 1/8 mile track on the southern Oregon coast. I saw the car sitting on a trailer in front of his business about 4 years after he bought it. He told me that business was good and racing had to take a back seat. I have no idea what happened to the engine or the car.

Denny

Fred Holdorf · 02-29-2012, 05:49 PM

The "Pates" wagon was also ran as a D/SA with a 394HP, (inline dual quad, solid lifter, Police Option) 413" engine. I had the pivilege of driving it then. The owner of the tape shop wanted it ran at Irwindale (original) Drag Strip to advertise his business. His name was Rich and had me play a tape which turned on the light bars in the rear windows, real seventies. On 7" tires it could be a handful. It won class at the Hot Rod Magazine Meet at Riverside one year against Gordon Williams blown Studebaker. My memory tells me we went 11.98 at Irwindale one night in bracket form. It had 9" drum brakes and scared me at least twice in shutdown. I still have fond memories of a hauling wagon.
Fred

Hemi Moose · 03-05-2012, 04:10 PM

How about one more '62 Dodge station wagon called 'White Trash'...anyone here remember this car.

straightaxle65 · 05-07-2013, 06:04 PM

This thread is a good one and thought I'd bring it back. I have a nice 62 Belvedere Post car that I'm gonna build into a drag car. At first I was just gonna go with a 440 and then considered a 413 Max Wedge clone but am now considering a 343horse 383 beings I have a 383, 915 heads which were allowed later on as replacements and most of all I have the 1827899 intake. This car will be bracket raced mostly but I'd like to see what I could get out of it building it to late 60s early 70s rules.
Were they allowing the "cheater cams" at that point? Any input you guys can offer is appreciated.

Neil Smedley · 05-07-2013, 10:18 PM

The 62 Dodge wagon aptly named "White Trash" was owned and raced by Willard Wright from Monrovia, California....was a stock eliminator car up through the 1971 season......the attempt to covert it to a super/stocker was not a huge success....In 1972, the Smothers brothers,recognizing Willards driving prowess and crowd magnetism, gave him one of their 5 Oldsmobiles........I purchased the Edelbrock STR-14 intake and carbs from that Dodge......The manifold was the prototype for future units....ran it on my car for many years....now to answer straightaxle65`s question...YES, cheater cams were allowed in the late 60`s and early 70`s....in fact they have always been allowed because tech had no real way to check them...They could measure lift, duration and overlap, but could not determine the "rate of lift"........my first recollection of these cams were a very few"special" 097 Duntov cams that Jere Stahl had for 1957 Chevies......Also the 67 915 came both ways with 2 different exhaust valve sizes..The larger one is legal.......By the time the combustion chamber is milled to 66.5 cc`s, the compression ratio will be near 11 to 1.....

straightaxle65 · 05-08-2013, 10:46 PM

I talked to George at Clay Smith Cams today and as soon as I mentioned the 343hp 383s he started talking about the "Shaker" cars and Dave Kempton and Family. I've talked to George before and could tell he is a straight shooter and after talking to him today it confirmed it. He answered questions before I asked them. He said he would grind me any solid cam I wanted from the originals on up to a modern grind.

He stated he has all the archives and if he dug hard enough he could find Kemptons cam specs. I told him that I was doing this just for fun and he suggested to go with the .445 lift and throw some extra duration and rate of lift at it.

He had alot of good stories about winning, getting tore down and meeting all the specs and getting home just in time on Monday morning to go to work again.

Good Stuff!

Jeff Lee · 05-09-2013, 03:14 AM

I hate to rain on your parade but this was never more than an over the counter dealer item. As mentioned in post #80; "has anybody ever seen one, a production 1962 383/343 vehicle?"
The fact that Mother Mopar made it legal & NHRA accepted it as fact is true. But they made about as many of these engines on an assembly line as they did the NASCAR single 4bbl Hemi!

straightaxle65 · 05-09-2013, 07:41 AM

Yes, I was aware of that even before I read this thread. Whether off the showroom floor or over the counter these cars are cool and have a place in history. I'm not trying to set a national record, just out to tinker and have fun and being that I have the car and a few of the "over the counter parts", I figured why not.

A front engined rail with a blown 392 will never again win an NHRA national event but it will always have so much more than a modern dragster.

The Parade is still on schedule..

02-29-2012, 04:59 PM	#152
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' Here's a few shots of a '62 Dodge Dart 330 station wagon called 'The Music Box'... Here's the related article... http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...ng_dodge_dart/

02-29-2012, 05:49 PM	#154
Fred Holdorf Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Minden, Nv Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' The "Pates" wagon was also ran as a D/SA with a 394HP, (inline dual quad, solid lifter, Police Option) 413" engine. I had the pivilege of driving it then. The owner of the tape shop wanted it ran at Irwindale (original) Drag Strip to advertise his business. His name was Rich and had me play a tape which turned on the light bars in the rear windows, real seventies. On 7" tires it could be a handful. It won class at the Hot Rod Magazine Meet at Riverside one year against Gordon Williams blown Studebaker. My memory tells me we went 11.98 at Irwindale one night in bracket form. It had 9" drum brakes and scared me at least twice in shutdown. I still have fond memories of a hauling wagon. Fred

03-05-2012, 04:10 PM	#155
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' How about one more '62 Dodge station wagon called 'White Trash'...anyone here remember this car.

05-07-2013, 06:04 PM	#156
straightaxle65 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 12 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' This thread is a good one and thought I'd bring it back. I have a nice 62 Belvedere Post car that I'm gonna build into a drag car. At first I was just gonna go with a 440 and then considered a 413 Max Wedge clone but am now considering a 343horse 383 beings I have a 383, 915 heads which were allowed later on as replacements and most of all I have the 1827899 intake. This car will be bracket raced mostly but I'd like to see what I could get out of it building it to late 60s early 70s rules. Were they allowing the "cheater cams" at that point? Any input you guys can offer is appreciated.

05-07-2013, 10:18 PM	#157
Neil Smedley Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 163 Likes: 32 Liked 22 Times in 7 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' The 62 Dodge wagon aptly named "White Trash" was owned and raced by Willard Wright from Monrovia, California....was a stock eliminator car up through the 1971 season......the attempt to covert it to a super/stocker was not a huge success....In 1972, the Smothers brothers,recognizing Willards driving prowess and crowd magnetism, gave him one of their 5 Oldsmobiles........I purchased the Edelbrock STR-14 intake and carbs from that Dodge......The manifold was the prototype for future units....ran it on my car for many years....now to answer straightaxle65`s question...YES, cheater cams were allowed in the late 60`s and early 70`s....in fact they have always been allowed because tech had no real way to check them...They could measure lift, duration and overlap, but could not determine the "rate of lift"........my first recollection of these cams were a very few"special" 097 Duntov cams that Jere Stahl had for 1957 Chevies......Also the 67 915 came both ways with 2 different exhaust valve sizes..The larger one is legal.......By the time the combustion chamber is milled to 66.5 cc`s, the compression ratio will be near 11 to 1.....

05-08-2013, 10:46 PM	#158
straightaxle65 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 12 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' I talked to George at Clay Smith Cams today and as soon as I mentioned the 343hp 383s he started talking about the "Shaker" cars and Dave Kempton and Family. I've talked to George before and could tell he is a straight shooter and after talking to him today it confirmed it. He answered questions before I asked them. He said he would grind me any solid cam I wanted from the originals on up to a modern grind. He stated he has all the archives and if he dug hard enough he could find Kemptons cam specs. I told him that I was doing this just for fun and he suggested to go with the .445 lift and throw some extra duration and rate of lift at it. He had alot of good stories about winning, getting tore down and meeting all the specs and getting home just in time on Monday morning to go to work again. Good Stuff!

05-09-2013, 03:14 AM	#159
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' I hate to rain on your parade but this was never more than an over the counter dealer item. As mentioned in post #80; "has anybody ever seen one, a production 1962 383/343 vehicle?" The fact that Mother Mopar made it legal & NHRA accepted it as fact is true. But they made about as many of these engines on an assembly line as they did the NASCAR single 4bbl Hemi! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

05-09-2013, 07:41 AM	#160
straightaxle65 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 12 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker' Yes, I was aware of that even before I read this thread. Whether off the showroom floor or over the counter these cars are cool and have a place in history. I'm not trying to set a national record, just out to tinker and have fun and being that I have the car and a few of the "over the counter parts", I figured why not. A front engined rail with a blown 392 will never again win an NHRA national event but it will always have so much more than a modern dragster. The Parade is still on schedule..