Consensus By Professional Engine Builders - Page 2

Dgal · 10-05-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by M&M Motorsports

Larry,
Like you and many others, we are faced with the same situation. We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes. However, at this point, we need to be patient and await whatever changes are coming. At that point, each of us can assess the impact those changes will have on our individual combinations. It is important that we collectively try to move in a positive direction. It is best for us as individuals and our sport as a whole.

Sites like this allow free expression of many different views, but I am saddened to see the personal attacks on you and others, rather than addressing the actual issue. This has a tendency to reduce our effectiveness, as a group, with those (like NHRA) who monitor this site. Just remember the immortal words of John Wayne -- "A big mouth don't make a big man".

Geeze, did you have to be so reasonable? Great post and I felt it needed repeating.

Don

Tommy Gaynor · 10-05-2010, 11:49 AM

I don't get it, 99% of you guys that are crying over this can't out run the top 5 guys with "traditional" cars anyway. You don't see Bobby D, Jimmy D or Joe Sorensen crying and fire selling all there stuff. I guess I might listen a little more if you were the fastest guy in the class but I don't think you are in the top 10!

Larry Hill · 10-05-2010, 02:03 PM

Tommy, a friend of mine, Stewart Beckham, said hello.

You are correct my old Cuda never was fast, all of the class trophies must have come from yard sales.

Glenn Person · 10-05-2010, 02:39 PM

Tommy
I assume Bobby, Jimmy and Joe rarely post on the internet because they are working dilligently to stay on top of their game and stay competetive. Since you say you have not heard from any racers in the top of their class I felt compelled to reply .As you know, over the years I have tried to be fast and was occasionally rewarded with a record or three. Now you arn't really so callious to think these aforementioned front running racers and their" traditional" cars deserve to be rendered non competetive in heads up competetion by the new combos. All we accomplish by this is to force these beautiful old muscle cars away from racing and ultimately reduce car counts. This is not good for NHRA or stk/ss. I don't believe any real racer wants this kind of scenario, but only wishes a fair chance to win with his or her chosen ride. For some, "going with confidence" is not currently possible. I am confident NHRA want to reduce this disparity, and is working at this as we speak.
Hope to see you and your dad this fall
GP

Peter Ash · 10-05-2010, 02:46 PM

Maybe the nhra should have hired a 10 year old with a computer to sort this out before it happenned?

Can we all agree now that those with the knowledge do not have the power to deal with this, and those with the power, apparently do not have the knowledge to deal with this!

How could there possibly be wool over the eyes of those blaming the factories? I do not for one microsecond believe that anybody in their right mind could have overlooked the hp ratings submitted to the sanctioning body!!!

X-TECH MAN · 10-05-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by peter ash

maybe the nhra should have hired a 10 year old with a computer to sort this out before it happenned?

Can we all agree now that those with the knowledge do not have the power to deal with this, and those with the power, apparently do not have the knowledge to deal with this!

How could there possibly be wool over the eyes of those blaming the factories? I do not for one microsecond believe that anybody in their right mind could have overlooked the hp ratings submitted to the sanctioning body!!!

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BPotts · 10-05-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

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I don't remeber all the details, but when the GM fuel injectected cars came on the scene did they go directly into the "fuel Injected" classes to sort themselves out or did they originally go into the regular stock classes? Now, knowing that they did put them in their own classes for a while to sort out the HP ratings, why didn't the DP and the CJ do the same thing?

Jim Cimarolli · 10-05-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Maybe the nhra should have hired a 10 year old with a computer to sort this out before it happenned?

Can we all agree now that those with the knowledge do not have the power to deal with this, and those with the power, apparently do not have the knowledge to deal with this!

How could there possibly be wool over the eyes of those blaming the factories? I do not for one microsecond believe that anybody in their right mind could have overlooked the hp ratings submitted to the sanctioning body!!!

I think that an old drunk with a "Big Chief" tablet and one of those big first grade pencils could do it too!!

K Stubbs · 10-05-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BPotts

X3

I don't remeber all the details, but when the GM fuel injectected cars came on the scene did they go directly into the "fuel Injected" classes to sort themselves out or did they originally go into the regular stock classes? Now, knowing that they did put them in their own classes for a while to sort out the HP ratings, why didn't the DP and the CJ do the same thing?

There wasnt any fuel injected classes when they were first raced and it caused the same kind of problems. The new cars outrunning the old (most), until they were factored several times.

Dgal · 10-05-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

I think that an old drunk with a "Big Chief" tablet and one of those big first grade pencils could do it too!!

What makes you think this isn't what happened?

Don

10-05-2010, 11:49 AM	#12
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders I don't get it, 99% of you guys that are crying over this can't out run the top 5 guys with "traditional" cars anyway. You don't see Bobby D, Jimmy D or Joe Sorensen crying and fire selling all there stuff. I guess I might listen a little more if you were the fastest guy in the class but I don't think you are in the top 10! __________________ "Go With Confidence"

10-05-2010, 02:03 PM	#13
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,583 Likes: 1,867 Liked 10,582 Times in 2,186 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Tommy, a friend of mine, Stewart Beckham, said hello. You are correct my old Cuda never was fast, all of the class trophies must have come from yard sales. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817 Last edited by Larry Hill; 10-05-2010 at 03:14 PM.

10-05-2010, 02:39 PM	#14
Glenn Person Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Regina, Canada Posts: 29 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Tommy I assume Bobby, Jimmy and Joe rarely post on the internet because they are working dilligently to stay on top of their game and stay competetive. Since you say you have not heard from any racers in the top of their class I felt compelled to reply .As you know, over the years I have tried to be fast and was occasionally rewarded with a record or three. Now you arn't really so callious to think these aforementioned front running racers and their" traditional" cars deserve to be rendered non competetive in heads up competetion by the new combos. All we accomplish by this is to force these beautiful old muscle cars away from racing and ultimately reduce car counts. This is not good for NHRA or stk/ss. I don't believe any real racer wants this kind of scenario, but only wishes a fair chance to win with his or her chosen ride. For some, "going with confidence" is not currently possible. I am confident NHRA want to reduce this disparity, and is working at this as we speak. Hope to see you and your dad this fall GP __________________ Glenn Person 5356 STK

10-05-2010, 02:46 PM	#15
Peter Ash Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 262 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Maybe the nhra should have hired a 10 year old with a computer to sort this out before it happenned? Can we all agree now that those with the knowledge do not have the power to deal with this, and those with the power, apparently do not have the knowledge to deal with this! How could there possibly be wool over the eyes of those blaming the factories? I do not for one microsecond believe that anybody in their right mind could have overlooked the hp ratings submitted to the sanctioning body!!! Last edited by Peter Ash; 10-05-2010 at 02:51 PM.