National Records vs. the A.H.F.S.

[NewHemi]

Absolutely Right.

Records really mean very little now, except to the owner's ego, and possibly the engine builders business.

Would we have set the record somewhere lower than we did, if we weren't afraid of getting more horsepower? You bet, and I think many others close to the edge in their class certainly feel the same way.

Suspend the AHFS for records. Then you will see some real impressive records on the books.
Wouldn't it be nice is the Class Performers Award including points for a record? Or if the NHRA worked with some sponsors to create a payment for records. Maybe it is $50 or $100 each from each sponsor, so at least it would buy you a new gasket set after you tear down.

David
The New Hemi Guy

[goinbroke2]

I agree with everything said...but playing the devil's advocate....what would people say when a person runs -.6 to -.9 in heads up runs to win every time...but has the record at -1.80?
I can just imagine the screaming about "playing the system".

Are you going to run your -.85 car against a car that has a record of -1.80? Can you cut THAT much better of a light and make him run it out the door enough to get him HP?
And even if he does take a hit to get the win, now he can only set the record at -1.50.....


Just sayin'....

[Joe Schweigert]

The biggest deal why records are not set is the time 3-4 hours on a tear down and the cost of the gaskets unless you are driven by your ego why deal with it. And why tear down a good running motor

[Jeff Stout]

Ill problably get flamed for this idea. If you have a circled R on the window and set the record and pass teardown then the runs can NOT be applied towards AHFS. But if you try for the record and dont make it then your ET is applied towards AHFS. So if you think you have the stones or like to gamble to set the record then go for it. If you go more then 1.20 or faster for automatic Tuesday HP increase and set the record OR go 1.00 under to be looked at and set the record then hands off. If you dont for whatever reason ( no excuses) set the record then the run or runs count towards AHFS. Sounded good in my head anyway. Is the risk for reward worth it? Now just to get some money for the effort would be great.
Jeff

[Jeff Lee]

Great idea Jeff! That would keep racers from hiding behind the circled R in the window.
I'm still not sure what to think about record runs not counting to ASHFS. I wouldn't want to see somebody set a record @ 10.00 and then watch them dial 10.50 for the rest of the weekend.

[Dan Fahey]

Suggested this to Mike Baker at IHRA

Not enough Records are being set at an IHRA Meet.
More Records set will add more credability and competition to IHRA.

Create a Mobile Inspection Center -
IHRA sends a designated inpector.
Which may include other racers..

Inspectors go to a designated location.
Such as a Dealership, Local Airport, Large Garage.
Preferably Covered in the even of rain.

Date Set and Racers Invited.

Bring Engine or Whole Car.
Get inspected, engine or car that pass get a Certified Seal of Inspection.
Then the engine is sealed.

Cars wanting to set records at a Meet will only need normal pre-race inpection.
Then weighed after a run.

If there are any discrepencies they have to get corrected.
If the infraction can be corrected fairly quickly.
The part gets reinspected and passed if correct.
Such as a 1 Thousands-off Stock Mustang Valve.

Spending several hours on a car on a non race day will make racing more fun.

No more driving hours to a race to get busted for a minor infraction.

Catch them early and no worry !

Feedback ??

Dan

[B Parker]

If you want to increase car counts at opens how about during qualifying and record runs no ahfs. Then during eliminations count the runs. This would give a lot of guys who like to go fast a chance to show what they have. And if there is a record that you think you can set but it's to close to getting hp. You can step on it and give it a try. Barry

[Michael Beard]

IHRA already does the "inspect and seal" routine on non-race days, typically on the Friday of a Sat-Sun event. Sealed motors are accepted through the end of the racing season. The following year you must go through the process again.

RE: AHFS. The whole point of the AHFS is an attempt to apply realistic factors to engines. If you negate the AHFS at any time, then there is no system. The fact that people slow their cars down to avoid getting HP means exactly what that implies: the engine is not factored properly. As I've said for many years, take the incremental data that's been collected for years and factor ALL combinations once right now, get everybody in the proper classes, and then you can virtually do away with the AHFS, and y'all can go let it all hang out. (until the next rule enhancement or round of superceded parts)

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Great idea Jeff! That would keep racers from hiding behind the circled R in the window.
I'm still not sure what to think about record runs not counting to ASHFS. I wouldn't want to see somebody set a record @ 10.00 and then watch them dial 10.50 for the rest of the weekend.

. Hey Jeff, some of this happens and not necessarily due to the AHFS. A good example of this is Joe Sorensen and his B/SA Camaro yesterday at LODS at Firebird. First let me say that IMO, Joe is a great guy and a very good racer. Anyway, in rd 2, joe dialed a 10.48 and won. In round 3, he was heads up against Steve Wann. Joe ran 10.09 and won by a close margin. 4th round Joe dials 10.48 again. So the point is, Joe could run 10.09, on kill, but choses to run the car 4 tenths slower in eliminations. Is it because of AHFS or the cost of running the car on "kill" all the time???? So much of it has to do with the cost of racing now. For me, I could not keep racing if I ran my engine on kill and trashed an engine or two a year. so, what may appear to be an AHFS issue on the surface, may not be that at all.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

. Hey Jeff, some of this happens and not necessarily due to the AHFS. A good example of this is Joe Sorensen and his B/SA Camaro yesterday at LODS at Firebird. First let me say that IMO, Joe is a great guy and a very good racer. Anyway, in rd 2, joe dialed a 10.48 and won. In round 3, he was heads up against Steve Wann. Joe ran 10.09 and won by a close margin. 4th round Joe dials 10.48 again. So the point is, Joe could run 10.09, on kill, but choses to run the car 4 tenths slower in eliminations. Is it because of AHFS or the cost of running the car on "kill" all the time???? So much of it has to do with the cost of racing now. For me, I could not keep racing if I ran my engine on kill and trashed an engine or two a year. so, what may appear to be an AHFS issue on the surface, may not be that at all.

Never mind. Computer problem.