HP adjustments after the Dutch - posted - Page 3

Larry Hill · 10-16-2012, 05:12 PM

Very impressive run using that flat manifold that the 402 came with.

Greg Hill · 10-16-2012, 05:20 PM

Larry, be good.

MikeFicacci · 10-16-2012, 05:29 PM

Regardless of what happened, the 402 rated at 417 would have been pretty useless kinda like when Henson hit the Mopar a few years back. Better for everyone that it didn't get hit especially being that it raced the "new cars" and the LS1.

SSDiv6 · 10-16-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 69Cobra

If the smaller valve is indeed the better performer here couldn't you adjust the events of the ex lobe on the cam to get your velocity and scavenging back to where it was?

Yes.

I have discussed this in detail in many previous posts...

Just to give you something to think about since you are a Ford guy, take as an example the reason why the Ford Cleveland head picks up power when the exhaust port and valve is reduced in size...

Jeff Teuton · 10-16-2012, 05:56 PM

New Cars? I must have missed something here. Help me Greg. And to stick to the subject, there will probably be consequences. There ususally is. What manifold Larry?

Crew Chief · 10-16-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Very impressive run using that flat manifold that the 402 came with.

The following is found on the NHRA blueprint page for 1970 Chevrolet...

"Intake Manifold 3933163 with an open plenum (divider cut down) is acceptable as of June 6,2002"

Of course we all know that is bogus but what can be said other than the tech department accepted a modified replacement intake.

boster · 10-16-2012, 07:35 PM

Tilburg , what I stated is that the rule say 1.20 automatic Hp . I have hit the trigger and got HP . The last time I got HP my roll cage was not legal but I still got HP . I did not mean to go 8.44 with the wrong roll cage but it happened and I still got HP . The same rule should apply to everyone 1.20 under you get HP thats the only thing I commented on .

Buy a cobra jet and hit my combo dont bother me a bit everyone else does

Curious was it your car or a customers car that paid you to do the motor ? Surely you're not telling your customer to do his own stuff instead of having you mess it up are you

My engine builder also made a mistake at Indy in 08 and I got a year off for the mistake

B Parker · 10-16-2012, 08:14 PM

Bo So if I claim a 350 ci and during tear down they find that It's really a 400 ci the 350 should still get hp. Are you serious. You think that a roll bar is the same as something not right with a motor. Now I have run Brian's stuff for many years and have been threw many Indy tear downs. Nobody needs to defend him. He has always been first class and so has his work. As far as I'm concered there is no one any better doing stock and super stock engines. Barry Parker one very satisfied customer.

Alan Roehrich · 10-16-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by boster

Tilburg , what I stated is that the rule say 1.20 automatic Hp . I have hit the trigger and got HP . The last time I got HP my roll cage was not legal but I still got HP . I did not mean to go 8.44 with the wrong roll cage but it happened and I still got HP . The same rule should apply to everyone 1.20 under you get HP thats the only thing I commented on .

Buy a cobra jet and hit my combo dont bother me a bit everyone else does

Curious was it your car or a customers car that paid you to do the motor ? Surely you're not telling your customer to do his own stuff instead of having you mess it up are you

My engine builder also made a mistake at Indy in 08 and I got a year off for the mistake

Bo, how much faster or slower did your roll cage make you? You were at legal weight, correct? And your engine was legal to the letter, right? And you had a legal transmission?

You're comparing apples and oranges.

An engine with the wrong size valves is illegal, as in it will not pass tech. Making any passes made with that engine invalid, for any purposes.

Oh, and for the record, if someone got your combination hit with a car that would not pass tech, I would be diametrically opposed to your combination getting HP, regardless of whether or not it deserves about 25, at least.

boster · 10-16-2012, 08:44 PM

This is about a car going 1.20 under and on the qualifying sheet , then saying it had the wrong heads and no consequences for the party involved .

My buddy at the race went 1.201 under and got HP and was not torn down .He thinks the timing system could have been off by a thousands or two but he still got hp as did 3 other cars . The 402 should have got HP according to the rules .

I have no axe to grind or no intent to disrespect Brian Tilburg or the driver of the Nova my issiue is with the rule and how it was interpertid at the event .

So now for the record if you dont pass tech 1.20 runs dont count ? what happens if you dont get torn down they count ? so if you make a mistake and dont get caught then its ok ? and if you make a mistake and come clean at tear down you dont get punished for the mistake ?

Thats not how it work for me at the races

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10-16-2012, 05:29 PM	#23
MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 242 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Re: HP adjustments after the Dutch - posted Regardless of what happened, the 402 rated at 417 would have been pretty useless kinda like when Henson hit the Mopar a few years back. Better for everyone that it didn't get hit especially being that it raced the "new cars" and the LS1. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010

10-16-2012, 05:56 PM	#25
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: HP adjustments after the Dutch - posted New Cars? I must have missed something here. Help me Greg. And to stick to the subject, there will probably be consequences. There ususally is. What manifold Larry? __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

10-16-2012, 07:35 PM	#27
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: HP adjustments after the Dutch - posted Tilburg , what I stated is that the rule say 1.20 automatic Hp . I have hit the trigger and got HP . The last time I got HP my roll cage was not legal but I still got HP . I did not mean to go 8.44 with the wrong roll cage but it happened and I still got HP . The same rule should apply to everyone 1.20 under you get HP thats the only thing I commented on . Buy a cobra jet and hit my combo dont bother me a bit everyone else does Curious was it your car or a customers car that paid you to do the motor ? Surely you're not telling your customer to do his own stuff instead of having you mess it up are you My engine builder also made a mistake at Indy in 08 and I got a year off for the mistake __________________ Bo Kenney Last edited by boster; 10-16-2012 at 07:49 PM.

10-16-2012, 08:14 PM	#28
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: HP adjustments after the Dutch - posted Bo So if I claim a 350 ci and during tear down they find that It's really a 400 ci the 350 should still get hp. Are you serious. You think that a roll bar is the same as something not right with a motor. Now I have run Brian's stuff for many years and have been threw many Indy tear downs. Nobody needs to defend him. He has always been first class and so has his work. As far as I'm concered there is no one any better doing stock and super stock engines. Barry Parker one very satisfied customer.

10-16-2012, 08:44 PM	#30
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: HP adjustments after the Dutch - posted This is about a car going 1.20 under and on the qualifying sheet , then saying it had the wrong heads and no consequences for the party involved . My buddy at the race went 1.201 under and got HP and was not torn down .He thinks the timing system could have been off by a thousands or two but he still got hp as did 3 other cars . The 402 should have got HP according to the rules . I have no axe to grind or no intent to disrespect Brian Tilburg or the driver of the Nova my issiue is with the rule and how it was interpertid at the event . So now for the record if you dont pass tech 1.20 runs dont count ? what happens if you dont get torn down they count ? so if you make a mistake and dont get caught then its ok ? and if you make a mistake and come clean at tear down you dont get punished for the mistake ? Thats not how it work for me at the races __________________ Bo Kenney