Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS - Page 3

The Hawk · 03-09-2015, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ALMACK

As far the original question in post 1, with a 165 dollar buy-in, I would think the payout should be in the 500 range for a semi finish. ( or at least twice the buy-in)

I don`t think you get $500 for a semi at a Nat`l Event and that`s double the Divisional entry fee.

Mark Yacavone · 03-09-2015, 09:03 PM

Okay ..as promised .
We have a winner...Some new guy...Lane something or other?

ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS

John E McLeod · 03-09-2015, 09:28 PM

That's why Midwest Class Racers was formed 10 years ago good racers and good payout. 2000 winner 1000 ru 500 semi 250 quarter 125 third rd 75 2nd rd 9 weekends 18 races doesn't get any better than this. Only 100 dollar entry also. John

Mark Yacavone · 03-10-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John E McLeod

That's why Midwest Class Racers was formed 10 years ago good racers and good payout. 2000 winner 1000 ru 500 semi 250 quarter 125 third rd 75 2nd rd 9 weekends 18 races doesn't get any better than this. Only 100 dollar entry also. John

John, Sounds good but it seem like you would need 60 + cars for this payout.
What happens if you only get 50?
...and how does the track make money, if you don't mind me asking?

We run a S/SS combo as part of our nostalgia drags, hoping to get enough spectators to make a little money, after paying the track rental...Doesn't always happen that way.
Even with a dozen cars , I will always make sure the semi finalists at least get their entry fee back.
Anything less is a total insult , in my mind.

Mark Yacavone · 03-10-2015, 03:29 PM

FWIW, During the divisional at Wild Horse, we were watching the rounds from the staging lanes in the early afternoon. We looked up in the grandstands, and there were about 40 people on the pit side and about 20 on the spec. side.
Granted, the finals were supposed to be on Sunday, not Saturday, due to the impending weather, but I wouldn't expect it would have made much difference.
Bottom line is , divisional races depend on the racer and crew count to make any money.
I don't know what the latest NHRA trim off the top is, but I would guess a track of this size would need 500+ cars to make it all worthwhile.
Meanwhile the tracks have to skim wherever they can, including the payouts.

Mike Carr · 03-10-2015, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

John, Sounds good but it seem like you would need 60 + cars for this payout.
What happens if you only get 50?
...and how does the track make money, if you don't mind me asking?

We run a S/SS combo as part of our nostalgia drags, hoping to get enough pectators to make a little money, after paying the track rental...Doesn't always happen that way.
Even with a dozen cars , I will always make sure the semi finalists at least get their entry fee back.
Anything less is a total insult , in my mind.

Mark, how much does the track ask from you guys to be there? In sixteen years, I have done seventy S/SS races at ten tracks in four states, and I/we have never been asked once by a track to pay for us to be there. The track may or may not charge a tech card fee (10-20 bucks tops) per car and keep crew fees, but that is it. The $100 (or $50 in some cases) entry fee goes into the purse and is 100% payback to the racers.

Bill Diehl · 03-10-2015, 05:31 PM

I am in the middle of building one of these things after sitting on the sidelines for awhile and it's only a stocker. Anything less than $5000 to win is a direct slap in the face, and they wonder why the sport is loosing interest.....hello?

John E McLeod · 03-10-2015, 06:34 PM

Mark our average car count is 58 cars been as high as 67 last year we raise the money to guarantee the payout no mater how many cars show up. The program has been growing every year. Mark call me and I can share our program with you 605 770 3860. Thanks

Jeff Stout · 03-10-2015, 07:19 PM

I forgot. Why was I wanting to build a U/SA car?

Alan Nyhus · 03-10-2015, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

John, Sounds good but it seem like you would need 60 + cars for this payout.
What happens if you only get 50?
...and how does the track make money, if you don't mind me asking?

Mark, I'd encourage you to give John a call. The MCR format works....the guaranteed payout is why. Check us out:

http://www.midwestclassracers.com/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1544371742488480/

03-09-2015, 09:03 PM	#22
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,793 Likes: 2,884 Liked 5,086 Times in 1,938 Posts	Re: Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS Okay ..as promised . We have a winner...Some new guy...Lane something or other? ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

03-09-2015, 09:28 PM	#23
John E McLeod Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 71 Likes: 25 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS That's why Midwest Class Racers was formed 10 years ago good racers and good payout. 2000 winner 1000 ru 500 semi 250 quarter 125 third rd 75 2nd rd 9 weekends 18 races doesn't get any better than this. Only 100 dollar entry also. John

03-10-2015, 03:29 PM	#25
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,793 Likes: 2,884 Liked 5,086 Times in 1,938 Posts	Re: Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS FWIW, During the divisional at Wild Horse, we were watching the rounds from the staging lanes in the early afternoon. We looked up in the grandstands, and there were about 40 people on the pit side and about 20 on the spec. side. Granted, the finals were supposed to be on Sunday, not Saturday, due to the impending weather, but I wouldn't expect it would have made much difference. Bottom line is , divisional races depend on the racer and crew count to make any money. I don't know what the latest NHRA trim off the top is, but I would guess a track of this size would need 500+ cars to make it all worthwhile. Meanwhile the tracks have to skim wherever they can, including the payouts. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

03-10-2015, 05:31 PM	#27
Bill Diehl Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 311 Likes: 2 Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS I am in the middle of building one of these things after sitting on the sidelines for awhile and it's only a stocker. Anything less than $5000 to win is a direct slap in the face, and they wonder why the sport is loosing interest.....hello?

03-10-2015, 06:34 PM	#28
John E McLeod Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 71 Likes: 25 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS Mark our average car count is 58 cars been as high as 67 last year we raise the money to guarantee the payout no mater how many cars show up. The program has been growing every year. Mark call me and I can share our program with you 605 770 3860. Thanks

03-10-2015, 07:19 PM	#29
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,484 Likes: 65 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: Survey for 1st Time Builders, S/SS I forgot. Why was I wanting to build a U/SA car?