Yet another bogu horsepower factor

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

More than 10 years and more than 50 HP.... Yah, the system works *great*. So how long do you think it'll take to get the new cars anywhere in the right zipcode?

Dats what I'm talkin bout there... Michael........

Don't worry.....be happy!!!!..... and just say "Ohmmmmm" or "Serenity Now" especially if you gotta headsup with a Mustang or a decent runnin DP...

Maybe there's a "Big Picture" and us old guys are not seein it!!!! LOL!!!

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Good point but that was for GM cars, it may take only 5yrs for the FORDS
Dale

Would take about 15 minutes if Farmer Dismuke was still around.....

[james schaechter]

Daryl, be thankful Greg Hill hasn't built an Olds like yours.

Come on man. You are making claims that aren't based on research or logic.

Take a break. See you at the races. Jim

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Greg,
In ALL honesty,don't you think that the horsepower rating on your combo is "favorable"?
I know for a fact that you have been at least a half second faster than me or my mom numerous times.
I know you probably feel that you "work harder on your stuff and deserve it"
Thats fine,but what about something like a E/SA Chevrolet Powerglide Camaro.Don't know the ratings,but I know you seem to have them by at least a few tenths too.

The real point is that horsepower ratings will NEVER be fair.

I like racing a 1970 442 Oldsmobile,but IF the numbers ever come out right on the lottery,I will be getting a new Mustang or a Challenger for Stock Eliminator.There is a huge advantage to having the faster car in heads up races.

It is NOT all bracket racing as some seem to think it is.

You won the Division 3 Championship a few years ago,and having the fastest E/SA car was part of the reason.

(Might want to change your signature line,not #31 anymore)

As far as not running any National events,I don't know what that will accomplish,but I'm glad I don't have to worry about running you at National events,although I'm sure we will meet a few times at some Divisional races.
Just my $4.42,but I think you are making too much of all of these bogus horsepower ratings.There are A LOT of bogus horsepower ratings.Some are definately more bogus than others,but my feeling on Heads Up races is this:

If you are in a HEADS UP race and are slower than ONE TENTH of a second in performance,all the other driver has to accomplish is .099 on the tree,and the SLOWER CAR CAN NOT WIN!
If you are a second slower,or a tenth slower,.099 on the tree WINS the race for the faster car.Simple as that!

CLOSE doesn't count in Drag Racing!

[junior barns]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

More than 10 years and more than 50 HP.... Yah, the system works *great*. So how long do you think it'll take to get the new cars anywhere in the right zipcode?

Dont forget these cars were put into there own class (FI) for most of the 10yrs until the HP got sorted out!!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

A Stocker that can run 145 mph is not a Stocker.....

A new model Stocker that can run more than 1 second under on the brakes on the newly lowered indexes......has a bogus HP factor.....

I wont disagree with the HP Ratings, nuther issue all together, but take a Chally SRT8, pop in a cam with a healthy duration, pull the exhausts , change the gear and converter and throw a tune on it and itll run 10.5 flat all day long, WITH the IRS and pulling at 4000 LB.

I personally know 2 who are doing it with their daily drivers, he touched in the 10.8 last year. And he was heavier (Charger) His MPH was over 135 (cant remeber but I wanna say 138) And hes running through the mufflers.

What makes that not a stocker ? The damm thing is nearly bone stock and his daily driver, no funky cam, no "special" things, a tune, headers, converter and gears ? AND at 4300+ Lbs..... His target is 10.5 in daily trim, hell get it there.

Im dissapointed the SRT8 isnt in the guides, right now Super Street would be its only home.

[Greg Hill]

An update on the 5.7 hemi motor. I just looked at the 2007 5.7 hemi in the engine specs on the NHRA site. The specs are not complete but it shows 10.5 to 1 compression, 2.00/ 1.55 valves, cam lift 482/ 470 and a hp rating of 345. I know this motor doesn't have an intake or throttle body like the crate motor and it's 40 hp more.

[Rich Biebel]

If there are new assembly line or special production cars made in the proper amount for acceptance......that are capable of running 145mph after a normal Stocker type preperation......Their HP rating should be rated at least somewhere close to correct.

Up untill just a few years ago the highest class Stockers barely went 130mph.

That was after numerous "enhancements" and various improvements in engines and drivelines.


If new engine technology is head and shoulders above the old cars......their HP ratings should reflect that....


I have never seen any "Daily Drivers" in near stock condtion run in the 10's.....My idea of a Daily Driver means it is not really just a race car making believe it's a street car.........

I have seen a few Vipers and Corvettes run some pretty impressive numbers but not in the 10's........speeds were under 130 and they were driven to the track. I've seen some boosted street driven imports run some fast numbers as well but nowhere near 145.........

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

If there are new assembly line or special production cars made in the proper amount for acceptance......that are capable of running 145mph after a normal Stocker type preperation......Their HP rating should be rated at least somewhere close to correct.

Up untill just a few years ago the highest class Stockers barely went 130mph.

That was after numerous "enhancements" and various improvements in engines and drivelines.


If new engine technology is head and shoulders above the old cars......their HP ratings should reflect that....


I have never seen any "Daily Drivers" in near stock condtion run in the 10's.....My idea of a Daily Driver means it is not really just a race car making believe it's a street car.........

I have seen a few Vipers and Corvettes run some pretty impressive numbers but not in the 10's........speeds were under 130 and they were driven to the track. I've seen some boostedstreet driven imports run some fast numbers as well but nowhere near 145.........

Rich, you should check out some of the new LS3 Corvettes, several in the 10's with nothing but headers, converter, tune and some drag radials

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

have never seen any "Daily Drivers" in near stock condtion run in the 10's.....My idea of a Daily Driver means it is not really just a race car making believe it's a street car.........

Go buy an SRT8, change converter and headers, and you will all day long.

Ive got an armrest full of timeslips up to 120 in BONE STOCK Trim.

Hell the old man just ran a 13 flat on STOCK Tune. BONE Stock....we forgot to throw a "tune" on it 100% as from the factory.

Converter and Gears.... easy into low 11's Gears on the SRT8s are tall and with 20 in rubber doggy..

Throw some 18 drag radials on it, low 12s 100% STOCK.

Next ?

Then again I guess weve been poundig the piss outta the new hemis, and throwing rods and lunching heads, and on and on.

A Friggin JEEP SRT8 RIGHT Off the SHOWROOM Is good for low 13's at damm near 4500 LBS !

[Mike Gray]

Take 1hp off the NHRA factor for each year of the cars age.
that should make the '60's muscle cars competitive again.
(might make some 55 chevys happy.)