S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 - Page 4

MEXJOE · 02-02-2011, 08:27 PM

Sounds good!
Lets all go racing and have fun.
That's all I'm looking for here. We need to have 30+ cars to keep this thing going so... let's just do it.
It will be fun.
I think more racers from 4-5 hrs away will come if we can fix the small things
and get a good crowd of S/SS races at BIR.

Nothing attracts a crowd; like a crowd, I always say!

novassdude · 02-02-2011, 08:38 PM

Travis $150,000 is nothing for a place this large. Not to mention you didn't subtract the payouts from the classes.
If you read Mikes he says that the payout is100% but it really is not if there is a tech card fee. In BIR's case the tech card fee is part of the entry fee.
The only thing with the BIR plan that I would like to see different is making it 2 races for the S/SS cars on Saturday and Sunday. But I think what they have going should be a good start.
Glen Thanks for all the hard work. I may need a G or H that matches the last decals you did for me if you still have a record of what you did.

ron mattson · 02-02-2011, 08:43 PM

Profit, go to your local bank and ask what the payments would be on 5 or 10 million
dollars for 10 yrs as that is the longest you can borrow on a business loan, then let us know how far 150,000.00 pr yr gets you, im interested, simple math will tell you not far.
for each million borrowed its 8333.00 pr month without interest,and im sure the track was way more than 1 million, so 8333.00 x 12= 100k x5= 500000.00 yearly payment without
interest again, then add wages and operating expenses yeehaa more than i have this wk
but maybee next week will be better...lololololololololol

Kerby · 02-02-2011, 09:03 PM

Well it sounds like we have a good chance of having a Bigger Car Count this year.

But the main issue that I hear is More Money, More Money, More Money.

Solution THE BOX Put $ 20.00 in the Envelope name & car number, Drop in Box, If Place or Win get the Cash this is like Jammie's kiss method (Keep It Simple Stupid) 30 car's = $600.00 Extra cash

Good Job Glen
Kerby

ron mattson · 02-02-2011, 09:13 PM

Well put Kerby..

Kelly Petterson · 02-03-2011, 12:39 AM

As racer in the 4-6 hour away category, I will give my thoughts.....BIR #1 Very nice facility! #2 My experience there outside of the LODRS and Nats is very limited, once about 1990 we went up to race outside of that. So recent history keeping us from going are the horror stories as previously stated. I like easy...........TVD=easy. Drive in, tech, 3 Q's on a schedule, line up, race/repeat on day 2. No BS from telling where we can/can't park, charged for every nickel and dime item possible, waiting for call to maybe make one pass, yada yada yada..... That's not to say there isn't alot of work going on behind the scenes. Alot of racers volunteer their time and MONEY to make it successful. I think disproportionately so for some. Bottom line, some want to pay, race, win, go home. Some want to pay, see their friends, race, BS, drive cool cars, try to win, see their friends, go home. We all have our own agendas, the key is to channel individual talents and resources enough so as many people as possible enjoy it enough to return and build a solid program. If you don't have buy in from at least the minimum number of racers to make the program work then......good luck. Making it painful just to show up and do what we do = dead end.

J DeForrest · 02-03-2011, 01:24 AM

Glen,

I appreciate the efforts of you and others to make BIR better for the class cars. Hopefully I will make it up there a couple times this year.

[QUOTE=Kelly Petterson;237781]TVD=easy. Drive in, tech, 3 Q's on a schedule, line up, race/repeat on day 2. No BS from telling where we can/can't park, charged for every nickel and dime item possible, waiting for call to maybe make one pass, yada yada yada..... QUOTE]

But, if there was a choice between the 2 tracks, the above statement is part of why I will drive over 300 miles to race at TVD vs the 115 to BIR. It is just more fun for me to go there and race. That's why I race in the 1st place. It all starts with a guy at the gate that is not a temp and knows something about racing.

Jason

superstock5150@gmail.com

MEXJOE · 02-03-2011, 11:16 AM

Hi Kelly
I know the horror stories about BIR as previously stated.
I however think that Sometimes we as racers can get stuck in a rut and resist change.
FOR INSTANCE: I like going to a track with help that knows what is going on with the race and
race cars & classes.
However I WOULD ALSO like calling for help with my computer and talking to someone who can
speak English!
I guess we don’t always get things the way we think they should be.
Lots of things may not be perfect but still can be great!

As for the Midwest Class Racer races we had a darn good time and I love the relaxed
Atmosphere.
Now; I could find things to complain about at those races as well. But what’s the point.
It would only cause harm and de-rail the years of hard work and $$$ put in to an overall excellent program.

We as racers have an obligation to stay positive & support as many local races as
time and $ will allow. If we don’t support the tracks we have they will be gone!
If that happens what is the point in having a car at all.

When we have an chance like BIR is giving us to give and get in-put.
I believe is the best we can ask for. I want to work with all the S/SS races to get a good relationship
with the track and the track with us.

A schedule/ run order is one thing I am personally going to get in black & white.

I am working to improve time management efficiency with the staff.

I am working on a deal to make tech a painless experience for S/SS Race.

While many of the horror stories about BIR as previously stated have some validity.

I (we) are working hard to fix the things that are bugging people and make racing at BIR fun again.
I would love to see a deal possibly with USA & MwCR clubs working together again. Maybe a
BIR.or TVR.
The key IS to channel individual talents and resources. You are right on with that!!
MwCR group has done an excellent job with that!

At any rate I would love to have all you SD. Racers at the BIR combos.
I will be working hard to make it worth your while.

Thanks for your support and please stay positive & help me to help you all.
I’ll see you in the spring!

Thanks again
Glen DeMenge

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly Petterson

As racer in the 4-6 hour away category, I will give my thoughts.....BIR #1 Very nice facility! #2 My experience there outside of the LODRS and Nats is very limited, once about 1990 we went up to race outside of that. So recent history keeping us from going are the horror stories as previously stated. I like easy...........TVD=easy. Drive in, tech, 3 Q's on a schedule, line up, race/repeat on day 2. No BS from telling where we can/can't park, charged for every nickel and dime item possible, waiting for call to maybe make one pass, yada yada yada..... That's not to say there isn't alot of work going on behind the scenes. Alot of racers volunteer their time and MONEY to make it successful. I think disproportionately so for some. Bottom line, some want to pay, race, win, go home. Some want to pay, see their friends, race, BS, drive cool cars, try to win, see their friends, go home. We all have our own agendas, the key is to channel individual talents and resources enough so as many people as possible enjoy it enough to return and build a solid program. If you don't have buy in from at least the minimum number of racers to make the program work then......good luck. Making it painful just to show up and do what we do = dead end.

5919 SSKA · 02-03-2011, 12:11 PM

I can never win this debate...My point being in all of this, one last time...the $150,000k is just for the Bracket racing. Not including the Lucas Oil Nationals, LODRS event, Wed. night Street Legal, or any of the road racing...plus, advertising the track sells. I realize BIR probably has the HIGEST overhead of any drag racing facility in the 5 state area. But, how is that the racer's issue?

Like Jason stated, trailers have wheels. I too in the last 3-4 years would much rather drive 4hr to 8hr to have fun and race for a good/fair payout...and BIR is only 65mi from my race shop. I do hope this get's turned around!!! I love racing at BIR, I have done well there both in brackets and Super Stock, the majority of the people are great to deal with. It's those few you come in contact with that sour things. Anyone who knows me personally, knows I'm not a bad guy. I would bend over backwards for most anyone. I am just driven to race for a fair ROI (return on investment).

On a POSITIVE NOTE...some idea's I have communicated, but may not be known to the majority----The Committee should gather lists and addresses of ALL the racer's who have entered the S/SS program and send out a mailer. Cover the 5 state area and Canada.
If this S/SS combo is truly set in stone as being only a 1-day event, why not raise the entry fee to $150 so we can race for some good money? Track get's $30 per/tech card...the rest into the payout (we could even do it---like USA back in the day). Or something along those lines. Very similar to Kerber's idea, only all involved...not those who choose to do it.

Test-n-Tune SHOULD be a money maker for the track on the days they have them. There is no payout. HOWEVER, to get the cars the track has to be prepped well so useful data can be gained! This will help lay rubber on the track for the weekend...less VHT...less track prep, not to mention shorter tech lines on Saturday.

Tech---for whatever reason, is somewhat of a mistery when it comes to 'class' cars at BIR. We seriously aren't all that difficult. From Q-Jets, Holley's, 4GC's to throttle body's. These Combo event's are not Nationals/Divisionals. I guess if you have to 'cheat' to gain an advantage amongst your friends at a club race that's shame on you!
Helmet's are the same, jackets/pants are the same, roll cages the same, belts, etc. Correct Wt/Hp on your car/truck...scale after the pass---done! This isn't ANY of ours first rodeo...we know the rules, we know what class and wt we are suppose to be.
No fuel check at a combo. Tech should seriously take NO MORE than 10min per/car---any class! Once the Tech inspecter's have seen your car a few times in the year it should even be quicker! The past 2 years I have attended 4-5 NHRA Divisional events, and 3 Nationals. Tech takes me maybe, maybe 20min from when I leave my pit til when I get back. Yet I have spent close to 3hrs in line at BIR in the past for a combo weekend...and that was after WINNING the Divisional the weekend prior at BIR!
I know your working on this Glen---and thank you!

Let's put the "UNITED" back in USA and get the cars to show up at tracks and race for a good payout! I'm sure there are a lot of tracks that would love to have a 'class' racing show once a month. This means we need to pull some of our friends from Midwest Classracer's and Heartland to pool together and help save class racing.

I'm done! See you in the Spring!!!

5798camaro · 02-03-2011, 02:00 PM

I'll be to as many as I can make it to and I'm sure if I go Schultzy will bring the lil duster out as well. Have a good one! P.S where are the Lines?

02-02-2011, 08:27 PM	#31
MEXJOE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nhranumbers.com Posts: 875 Likes: 137 Liked 165 Times in 51 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Sounds good! Lets all go racing and have fun. That's all I'm looking for here. We need to have 30+ cars to keep this thing going so... let's just do it. It will be fun. I think more racers from 4-5 hrs away will come if we can fix the small things and get a good crowd of S/SS races at BIR. Nothing attracts a crowd; like a crowd, I always say!

02-02-2011, 08:38 PM	#32
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Travis $150,000 is nothing for a place this large. Not to mention you didn't subtract the payouts from the classes. If you read Mikes he says that the payout is100% but it really is not if there is a tech card fee. In BIR's case the tech card fee is part of the entry fee. The only thing with the BIR plan that I would like to see different is making it 2 races for the S/SS cars on Saturday and Sunday. But I think what they have going should be a good start. Glen Thanks for all the hard work. I may need a G or H that matches the last decals you did for me if you still have a record of what you did.

02-02-2011, 08:43 PM	#33
ron mattson Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: cloquet mn Posts: 466 Likes: 17 Liked 67 Times in 30 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Profit, go to your local bank and ask what the payments would be on 5 or 10 million dollars for 10 yrs as that is the longest you can borrow on a business loan, then let us know how far 150,000.00 pr yr gets you, im interested, simple math will tell you not far. for each million borrowed its 8333.00 pr month without interest,and im sure the track was way more than 1 million, so 8333.00 x 12= 100k x5= 500000.00 yearly payment without interest again, then add wages and operating expenses yeehaa more than i have this wk but maybee next week will be better...lololololololololol __________________ Ron Mattson 5015 STK

02-02-2011, 09:03 PM	#34
Kerby Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MN / FLA Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Well it sounds like we have a good chance of having a Bigger Car Count this year. But the main issue that I hear is More Money, More Money, More Money. Solution THE BOX Put $ 20.00 in the Envelope name & car number, Drop in Box, If Place or Win get the Cash this is like Jammie's kiss method (Keep It Simple Stupid) 30 car's = $600.00 Extra cash Good Job Glen Kerby

02-02-2011, 09:13 PM	#35
ron mattson Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: cloquet mn Posts: 466 Likes: 17 Liked 67 Times in 30 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Well put Kerby.. __________________ Ron Mattson 5015 STK

02-03-2011, 12:39 AM	#36
Kelly Petterson Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 75 Likes: 18 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 As racer in the 4-6 hour away category, I will give my thoughts.....BIR #1 Very nice facility! #2 My experience there outside of the LODRS and Nats is very limited, once about 1990 we went up to race outside of that. So recent history keeping us from going are the horror stories as previously stated. I like easy...........TVD=easy. Drive in, tech, 3 Q's on a schedule, line up, race/repeat on day 2. No BS from telling where we can/can't park, charged for every nickel and dime item possible, waiting for call to maybe make one pass, yada yada yada..... That's not to say there isn't alot of work going on behind the scenes. Alot of racers volunteer their time and MONEY to make it successful. I think disproportionately so for some. Bottom line, some want to pay, race, win, go home. Some want to pay, see their friends, race, BS, drive cool cars, try to win, see their friends, go home. We all have our own agendas, the key is to channel individual talents and resources enough so as many people as possible enjoy it enough to return and build a solid program. If you don't have buy in from at least the minimum number of racers to make the program work then......good luck. Making it painful just to show up and do what we do = dead end. __________________ Kelly Petterson 5781 B/SA Last edited by Kelly Petterson; 02-03-2011 at 12:45 AM. Reason: sp

02-03-2011, 01:24 AM	#37
J DeForrest Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramsey, MN Posts: 112 Likes: 95 Liked 73 Times in 18 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Glen, I appreciate the efforts of you and others to make BIR better for the class cars. Hopefully I will make it up there a couple times this year. [QUOTE=Kelly Petterson;237781]TVD=easy. Drive in, tech, 3 Q's on a schedule, line up, race/repeat on day 2. No BS from telling where we can/can't park, charged for every nickel and dime item possible, waiting for call to maybe make one pass, yada yada yada..... QUOTE] But, if there was a choice between the 2 tracks, the above statement is part of why I will drive over 300 miles to race at TVD vs the 115 to BIR. It is just more fun for me to go there and race. That's why I race in the 1st place. It all starts with a guy at the gate that is not a temp and knows something about racing. Jason superstock5150@gmail.com Last edited by J DeForrest; 02-03-2011 at 01:27 AM.

02-03-2011, 12:11 PM	#39
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 I can never win this debate...My point being in all of this, one last time...the $150,000k is just for the Bracket racing. Not including the Lucas Oil Nationals, LODRS event, Wed. night Street Legal, or any of the road racing...plus, advertising the track sells. I realize BIR probably has the HIGEST overhead of any drag racing facility in the 5 state area. But, how is that the racer's issue? Like Jason stated, trailers have wheels. I too in the last 3-4 years would much rather drive 4hr to 8hr to have fun and race for a good/fair payout...and BIR is only 65mi from my race shop. I do hope this get's turned around!!! I love racing at BIR, I have done well there both in brackets and Super Stock, the majority of the people are great to deal with. It's those few you come in contact with that sour things. Anyone who knows me personally, knows I'm not a bad guy. I would bend over backwards for most anyone. I am just driven to race for a fair ROI (return on investment). On a POSITIVE NOTE...some idea's I have communicated, but may not be known to the majority----The Committee should gather lists and addresses of ALL the racer's who have entered the S/SS program and send out a mailer. Cover the 5 state area and Canada. If this S/SS combo is truly set in stone as being only a 1-day event, why not raise the entry fee to $150 so we can race for some good money? Track get's $30 per/tech card...the rest into the payout (we could even do it---like USA back in the day). Or something along those lines. Very similar to Kerber's idea, only all involved...not those who choose to do it. Test-n-Tune SHOULD be a money maker for the track on the days they have them. There is no payout. HOWEVER, to get the cars the track has to be prepped well so useful data can be gained! This will help lay rubber on the track for the weekend...less VHT...less track prep, not to mention shorter tech lines on Saturday. Tech---for whatever reason, is somewhat of a mistery when it comes to 'class' cars at BIR. We seriously aren't all that difficult. From Q-Jets, Holley's, 4GC's to throttle body's. These Combo event's are not Nationals/Divisionals. I guess if you have to 'cheat' to gain an advantage amongst your friends at a club race that's shame on you! Helmet's are the same, jackets/pants are the same, roll cages the same, belts, etc. Correct Wt/Hp on your car/truck...scale after the pass---done! This isn't ANY of ours first rodeo...we know the rules, we know what class and wt we are suppose to be. No fuel check at a combo. Tech should seriously take NO MORE than 10min per/car---any class! Once the Tech inspecter's have seen your car a few times in the year it should even be quicker! The past 2 years I have attended 4-5 NHRA Divisional events, and 3 Nationals. Tech takes me maybe, maybe 20min from when I leave my pit til when I get back. Yet I have spent close to 3hrs in line at BIR in the past for a combo weekend...and that was after WINNING the Divisional the weekend prior at BIR! I know your working on this Glen---and thank you! Let's put the "UNITED" back in USA and get the cars to show up at tracks and race for a good payout! I'm sure there are a lot of tracks that would love to have a 'class' racing show once a month. This means we need to pull some of our friends from Midwest Classracer's and Heartland to pool together and help save class racing. I'm done! See you in the Spring!!! __________________ Racing web page

02-03-2011, 02:00 PM	#40
5798camaro Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mahtowa MN Posts: 45 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 I'll be to as many as I can make it to and I'm sure if I go Schultzy will bring the lil duster out as well. Have a good one! P.S where are the Lines?