Indy Quota

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw

So the guys that have an " easy " combo can let it all hang out at Indy. No repercussion, no change in AHFS. Everyone else..... all well.... now they know how far behind they are and nothing will be done to close that gap. IMHA call it bs

Okay, for the fans of AHFS at Indy, let's try this.
AHFS in affect.
You go there with your pretty fast 69 Camaro 2 dr. hardtop with the 350/255 combo in G/SA. There's at least one more with the identical combo (good chance) , plus a 75 Corvette, among others. You draw another 69 (good chance). He hops it up all the way, wears your azz out, and goes 1.22 under, for the instant hit. The Corvette ends up winning class. How does the AHFS help you to catch up to the Corvette some day?

[Jeff Dona SS3269]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw

So the guys that have an " easy " combo can let it all hang out at Indy. No repercussion, no change in AHFS. Everyone else..... all well.... now they know how far behind they are and nothing will be done to close that gap. IMHA call it bs

I tell you what I’d gladly take the afhs at Indy to not have it at all the other events we have meaning this is the only race we have to enjoy the fruits of our labor one out of how many events 65 or so this isn’t asking for much. Maybe it’s time to award performance instead of punishing people for it like going back to a pro ladder and giving the top 16 qualifiers 40 points for round 1 instead of 30 maybe this would get guys to run their stuff. No ahfs has brought excitement back to Indy class the way it should be!

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Jeff Dona SS3269

I tell you what I’d gladly take the afhs at Indy to not have it at all the other events we have meaning this is the only race we have to enjoy the fruits of our labor one out of how many events 65 or so this isn’t asking for much. Maybe it’s time to award performance instead of punishing people for it like going back to a pro ladder and giving the top 16 qualifiers 40 points for round 1 instead of 30 maybe this would get guys to run their stuff. No ahfs has brought excitement back to Indy class the way it should be!

Jeff, I put a performance proposal to nhra twice in the last 3 years. I talked about qualifying points , record points, points for class wins etc. Nhra said no to everything both times. I was also told they took my proposal to the racers who said foe to “go pound sand” were not doing that. So nhra told me you’re own competitors don’t want any performance based money or points. So I quit, I said f this. It’s really too bad racers in s performance class just want to bracket race and nothing else.

[Jeff Dona SS3269]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

Jeff, I put a performance proposal to nhra twice in the last 3 years. I talked about qualifying points , record points, points for class wins etc. Nhra said no to everything both times. I was also told they took my proposal to the racers who said foe to “go pound sand” were not doing that. So nhra told me you’re own competitors don’t want any performance based money or points. So I quit, I said f this. It’s really too bad racers in s performance class just want to bracket race and nothing else.

Who did they take the proposal to? I was never asked I know no one that was. Everyone has their own personal agenda I get it but those elected to represent us must vote the majority.

[B Parker]

Mark You are right. You must be talking to Papa Frank. Only one problem the 75 corvette is a natural I car will not fit G. H will be an interesting class at Indy this year. BP

[HR9121]

So I always hear how flawed the system is and we all know it is but the one time the AHFS would actually work nobody wants it to count. This is the race where all the fastest cars in the country will be at but let's not count it. The way I see it this would be the ultimate playing field to see how bad does someone want that Indy class trophy. I understand everyone wants to show how fast they are but for the most part everyone that races and looks at incremental times already knows who's fast to start with. This is the one race that the current system would work but nobody wants to use it because it's the one race where the vast majority of cars there need some correction.
Ed not trying to hurt your feelings but I doubt anyone from NHRA asked anyone anything about your proposal. I think it got filed in the trash because I don't know a soul that was asked their opinion. I liked it by the way!

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by HR9121

So I always hear how flawed the system is and we all know it is but the one time the AHFS would actually work nobody wants it to count. This is the race where all the fastest cars in the country will be at but let's not count it. The way I see it this would be the ultimate playing field to see how bad does someone want that Indy class trophy. I understand everyone wants to show how fast they are but for the most part everyone that races and looks at incremental times already knows who's fast to start with. This is the one race that the current system would work but nobody wants to use it because it's the one race where the vast majority of cars there need some correction.
Ed not trying to hurt your feelings but I doubt anyone from NHRA asked anyone anything about your proposal. I think it got filed in the trash because I don't know a soul that was asked their opinion. I liked it by the way!

I have to disagree with you about the fastest cars, It's cars that have had HP, as much as 40 taken off their original factory rated HP, to bomb in the lower classes. I would agree that there are some people and combo's that have worked their tail's off to make their combo's fast. Lifters alone make a difference, the hydraulic lifters that came from the factory are now allowed solids with no HP added to the combo where as almost every solid lifter engine out of the factory are still carrying HP and then some. I've already heard it, that the solid lifters didn't help any combo, put OEM lifters back in the engines then we'll see if they helped!

Casey Miles
248H Stock

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by HR9121

So I always hear how flawed the system is and we all know it is but the one time the AHFS would actually work nobody wants it to count. This is the race where all the fastest cars in the country will be at but let's not count it. The way I see it this would be the ultimate playing field to see how bad does someone want that Indy class trophy. I understand everyone wants to show how fast they are but for the most part everyone that races and looks at incremental times already knows who's fast to start with. This is the one race that the current system would work but nobody wants to use it because it's the one race where the vast majority of cars there need some correction.
Ed not trying to hurt your feelings but I doubt anyone from NHRA asked anyone anything about your proposal. I think it got filed in the trash because I don't know a soul that was asked their opinion. I liked it by the way!

Well said Cooter. You speak the TRUTH.
I don’t get it either.....
I have raced Indy when the 120 hit counted and when it didn’t
And we get what we have now..MULliGANs for the fastest under rated combos on earth!
And congrats to the 2 barrel..6 cylinder ..front wheel drive JUNK..Yes I said It!
#1 qualified car What a joke.

[Steve Polhill]

I was lucky enough to Qualify #1 at Indy in 2008, and took HP for it. Would I do it again? Hell yes I would. But these days without the AHFS only the crazy soft combo's even have a remote chance. Does it affect the qualified field? No, but come on now 2 seconds under? That combo needs Hp added to it.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by HR9121

So I always hear how flawed the system is and we all know it is but the one time the AHFS would actually work nobody wants it to count. This is the race where all the fastest cars in the country will be at but let's not count it. The way I see it this would be the ultimate playing field to see how bad does someone want that Indy class trophy. I understand everyone wants to show how fast they are but for the most part everyone that races and looks at incremental times already knows who's fast to start with. This is the one race that the current system would work but nobody wants to use it because it's the one race where the vast majority of cars there need some correction.
Ed not trying to hurt your feelings but I doubt anyone from NHRA asked anyone anything about your proposal. I think it got filed in the trash because I don't know a soul that was asked their opinion. I liked it by the way!

I am not sure that the HP factors and indexes should be based off of the fastest car in the class in the best conditions especially because the fast cars are not always torn down and checked for compliance. Should be more of an average. There are always some racers that have an unlimited budget to race on so they have the opportunity for better parts and development. I think this plays into the reason that Indy is exempt from the AHFS. Similar to the mine shaft exemption. I am not fast enough to qualify at Indy. I have made the trip there on 2 occasions years ago. Its a great couple of weeks with Bowling Green and then Indy the week after. Just does not make sense to waste your money if you have no way of getting in the program. Right now I don't think there is a single car in the country running my combo that could make the cut.