Red light survey

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I voted for option 3, because, for most of us, there are many more pressing issues that affect S/SS racing more than a first-worst redlight, that *might* come into play, what, 5-7% of the time over a season. Payouts, AHFS, run schedules, costs, track conditions, etc etc etc are a bigger issue that needs addressed before the redlight rule. If the rule were changed however, it wouldn't bother me.

I agree with you Mike that there are more pressing issues that affect S/SS racing more than this, but does Glendora seem to care about the more pressing issues? I think not given that in just the last 3yrs:

1. Entry fees for national events have increased $65 bucks...from $240 to $305!

2. Indexes were lowered by 3 tenths of a second.

3. Oil down penalties will be accessed against us now (even though most of them are caused by racers in other classes...mainly the pros).

4. Contingency posting dollars have gone down, but....

5. The regulations for Automatic tranny racer contingencies has gone up.

I could name more, but I named enough reasons, since none of them seem to matter.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

You may try to build the fastest car for your category, but know this...someone will always build one faster....all of that wasted money/time for the cold hard facts.....

Gary, I don't have a fast car. Low tens in SS means I'm leaving first most of the time. Seldom give a spot. Still don't see a problem. I prefer leaving first.

[Ed Fernandez]

Gary your lack of comprhension of numbers is incredible.The 33 votes was offset by the votes for basicly leaving things alone.
The percentage has stayed more or less the same since the poll was a few hours old.It's been at 28% for your welfare rules change.
Stop using liberal/progressive math.

[Ed Fernandez]

Oh and by the way Ed, because I know you're reading this (and that you were talking about me too), and it has NOT been 3-4 years since I raced last...my last race was just 2wks after your fun at Indy last year, and my most recent Stock Eliminator race was just 11 months ago, so just like you're apparently a flap jack short of a full stack on other topics, so are you on this one...hardy har har!!!!

So you have 2 grade points in 4 years.That doesn't even register in the grade point
standings.Since your math is a bit skerered that's 1/2 point a year.Bang,zoom to the moon Alice.

And what's my Indy fun?The margarita's seem to be kicking in.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Here we go again Bill.First off your car still has a BRACKET number on it.Second show me what's biased in the wording on the poll.
The poll is running at 72% for status quo and 28% for change.I guess when it isn't going your way it's one sided.

How about this: "This lopsided rule has been screwing the first car to leave for 48 years; isn't it time we FIXED the problem, since we now CAN?"

I didn't see anything worded like THAT in the poll.

That is the flip side of
"WTF Let's concentrate on the REAL problems;" implying very strongly, that this existing situation is NOT a REAL PROBLEM.


It's a HUGE problem, mainly, because it's so unnecessary.

My Jouralism professor in college spent a whole week on semantics, and how they skew the outcome of so-called "POLLS." Your poll is a texbook case in "leading the respondent."


What does my Bracket car have to do with this, anyway? They won't fix the problem at the local track until it gets fixed in NHRA racing.

If you don't want non Class-Racer folks responding (voting) on your poll. post it on the board that is for Class Racers only. This board is for everyone.... remember?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

How about this: "This lopsided rule has been screwing the first car to leave for 48 years; isn't it time we FIXED the problem, since we now CAN?"

I didn't see anything worded like THAT in the poll.

That is the flip side of
"WTF Let's concentrate on the REAL problems;" implying very strongly, that this existing situation is NOT a REAL PROBLEM.


It's a HUGE problem, mainly, because it's so unnecessary.

My Jouralism professor in college spent a whole week on semantics, and how they skew the outcome of so-called "POLLS." Your poll is a texbook case in "leading the respondent."


What does my Bracket car have to do with this, anyway? They won't fix the problem at the local track until it gets fixed in NHRA racing.

If you don't want non Class-Racer folks responding (voting) on your poll. post it on the board that is for Class Racers only. This board is for everyone.... remember?

maybe its finally sinking in. To most class racers, there are MUCH bigger issues. And as I have said many times over stock and ss are not the test bed for this new rule. If it is going to be don, how about trying it in the NHRA Summit Bracket series, you know, where BRACKET racers race. If it were successful there, then it could migrate over. you are not talking about a "stock/ss"issue" you're talking about an issue for all of bracket racing. since you think everyone should be for this, why don't you start a grass roots movement among your peers (read: bracket racers) and see if you can get it changed over there. But please, for the love of God, let us class racers deal with issues that actually have to do with our classes and are important to us.

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed, you make my day!

You want to fix the red light rule with a change in autostart. If you have made the phone calls and know it's possible then what's the problem?

Went through this with deep staging a few years ago. (note: I have never deep staged, ever) It ain't goin to happen this way. Get the track owners on board (they are Compulink customers) you might have a fighting chance. If you can get enough tracks "across the country" to adopt the idea then NHRA will have to consider it. You still may never see it at a national or divisional until it proven at the bracket racing level.
Ohh, by the way what happened to deep staging. You can but you're on you're own. No holding the tree any more.

I deep stage all the time with my bracket car because it will not leave like a race car, I drive it to and from the track and it gets 25 mpg. (01 Corvette) The only thing about deep staging is that the car is positioned differently on the starting line. What would happen if they took the prestage light away, most people would never find the starting line. "Pre"stage means before you are staged, and that is it. The problem with the people thinking that deep staging is not right is because that is what they were taught. You don't have to wait for me or any of my friends to deep stage, we are usually in before you have even done your burnout.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

You don't have to wait for me or any of my friends to deep stage, we are usually in before you have even done your burnout.

This is true, unless you are racing against someone whose sole purpose in life is to try and screw with deep stagers. Even if they had to totally change their routine to do it. They know who they are. After they got rid of deep staging I'm surprised they still raced. What's left in life if you can't F with deep stagers?


-Toby

[Casey Miles]

BTW Toby, thank you for the Pomona coverage.

In D2 Summit racing finals, sometimes it's a race just to the starting line for the deep stagers. I'm pretty set in my ways with my routine, not much bothers me. So they can try to mess around, but I've been doing it so long that unless the starter makes me back out, I'm staged ready to go.
Some day just for messing with people, they should turn off the prestage lights, then you'll see alot the people who know how to stage and the ones that need the all the lights, bells and whistles to get it done.
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

How about this: "This lopsided rule has been screwing the first car to leave for 48 years; isn't it time we FIXED the problem, since we now CAN?"

I didn't see anything worded like THAT in the poll.

That is the flip side of
"WTF Let's concentrate on the REAL problems;" implying very strongly, that this existing situation is NOT a REAL PROBLEM.


It's a HUGE problem, mainly, because it's so unnecessary.

My Jouralism professor in college spent a whole week on semantics, and how they skew the outcome of so-called "POLLS." Your poll is a texbook case in "leading the respondent."


What does my Bracket car have to do with this, anyway? They won't fix the problem at the local track until it gets fixed in NHRA racing.

If you don't want non Class-Racer folks responding (voting) on your poll. post it on the board that is for Class Racers only. This board is for everyone.... remember?

Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer.Do what Chad said and lobby NHRA for the change in the bracket program.
You can respond with suggestions and I can counter them.Yoy're not being muffled,just remember what you suggest affects others not you.Go on the Bracket section and make
all the suggestions you want,for the type of racing YOU DO.