A case for Tru-Start

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Don Morris

For me there is one remaining question. In the case where the slower car leaves on green, but the faster car goes red, when does the driver of the faster car get his "second chance" at winning that race? If the concern is fairness for all, how would this be addrresed?

Just to play devils advocate. In the current system the faster car can win the race before his car ever moves. If the slower car red lights. Where is the slow cars opportunity to win the race with out his car even leaving the line?

[Don Morris]

Originally Posted by FireSale

TruStart only comes into play on a double red light start. This is a rare occurrence and it addresses the current "first red light" rule with a fairer outcome. I would be OK with this.

Just to muck this up, if both cars cross the center line, should the first car over be DQ'd or the car that crosses the line by the greatest distance? Do we need hash marks crossing the track to verify this??

Last season I left last in Sportsman and first in Pro. I had red lights and 0.000 lights on each side of the equation. Makes me neutral on the fast/slow issue, which seems to be some sort of *ick measuring contest here.

Dale,
Tru-Start comes into play when the slower car goes red, because it prevents the timing system from indicating a red light for the slower car.

If both competitors cross the center line, my understanding is they are both DQ'd.

[Carguy49]

In talking with some local racers about Tru-Start I have heard varied answers. Some I won't repeat, but I believe it is a good thing for the sport.

I would like to hear from the 2 racers involved in this discussion. Both Jody Lang and Bob Gullett are accomplished racers.

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Don Morris

Dale,
Tru-Start comes into play when the slower car goes red, because it prevents the timing system from indicating a red light for the slower car.

If both competitors cross the center line, my understanding is they are both DQ'd.

I don't believe that is true, I have seen both cars cross the centerline more than once, first car that crossed the centerline got the DQ, other car stayed in.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Don Morris

Jeff,

From my understanding, under the Tru-Start system the slower car that red lights is not automatically eliminated and in fact can win the race if the faster car has a worse red light. But, when the slower car goes green and the faster car goes red, the faster car is automatically eliminated. Correct me if I am wrong.

That is correct. Same holds true if slower car goes red and faster car is green then shower car is automatically eliminated

[Steve Hagberg]

The rule book in section 2 under disqualifications spells out when both cars are disqualified. and it includes if both car cross the centerline. To make it 'fair' maybe both cars should be disqualified if they both red light. BTW, let me know when NHRA accepts Tru-Start as the official timing system at all its races.

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Steve Hagberg

The rule book in section 2 under disqualifications spells out when both cars are disqualified. and it includes if both car cross the centerline. To make it 'fair' maybe both cars should be disqualified if they both red light. BTW, let me know when NHRA accepts Tru-Start as the official timing system at all its races.

So what do you do when the second car crossed the centerline to avoid a collision with the first car?

[cicero819]

I have to say that i started a post many of years ago on this subject and most guys who own a fast car were against a true win red light. I love being the turtle being chase by fast car, if I cut a great light"SAYORANA fast car and 45% will red light. The only advantage, the fast car is having me in their sights all the way down, but if the light is 010 or better,they won't have a chance unless my cars performance drops, no place to touch the brakes or womp the throttle.CR

[older racer]

the guy at front of this post, does not run stock!! his car is over a second off the index. he rarely runs at his track, because his car does not launch very good, has no gears, weak engine. It's one of these, I can't win, so lets change the rules. the way we've raced is ok,. the slower car gets two chances to win, faster care has only one chance to win, In the make me feel good, is that fair?? NO. leave it alone!!! lets just go race!! end of rant!!

[Dave Noll]

Originally Posted by older racer

the guy at front of this post, does not run stock!! his car is over a second off the index. he rarely runs at his track, because his car does not launch very good, has no gears, weak engine. It's one of these, I can't win, so lets change the rules. the way we've raced is ok,. the slower car gets two chances to win, faster care has only one chance to win, In the make me feel good, is that fair?? NO. leave it alone!!! lets just go race!! end of rant!!

That would be me. YES I do. I recently converted my bracket car to a legal stocker. Now less than a second over. Have several things in the works. I have a very good convertor (Blue Streak) & 5.14's. I'm working on the engine. (it's a 2bbl combo). I have raced at my local track for over 30 years. (my attendance has been weak lately as I have a health issue and my long time wife just left me). It's not about "I can't win". I have over 50 trophies stuck in a corner of my garage. It's about EVENing an unfair (in my opinion) advantage that the faster cars have had for too long. How is it that you "know" so much about me and my car "older racer" ?
The Combo at Renegade in September was my first. I wanted to support it as it has been a while since they have had anything like that there. The slow time my car ran in the first round on Saturday was the result of a small problem that I fixed later that day. (Yes mine was the yellow Cougar here ..... http://classracer.com/classforum/att...4&d=1474913322

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

get a faster car stop stirring ****

I can't afford a faster class & I am trying to get what I have faster. No stirring, stating a preference for something that is in the works.

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

This will never work it will be like a soup sandwich very messy jlitfa

Me thinks your wrong. It has already been in use at the Spring Fling and seemed to get rave reviews.