What to expect - Page 5

09-20-2007, 08:14 PM

While I have been reading this, sometimes I have to chuckle. Take away everything ie; (buttons, two steps, retards-besides the one behind the wheel, blinders, first or worst redlights, blah blah blah blah.
One thing you all are forgetting. The same people that win now, will still continue to win. While a few of you that have never won, will still be on the computer bitching about unfair this and unfair that.
NHRA is not here to make EVERYONE happy. They are trying to make this complicated racing thing somewhat easier to police. Nobody has all the right answers. I, for one, have tried all of this garbage that everyone is argueing about. It is still up the nut behind the wheel to react, whatever spot that is, to cut a light. I would love to download Peter Biondo's concentration level into my head, but that ain't gonna happen. And if I could do that, someone would just say I was cheating because I used a non approved USB cable, and I am CHEATING. GET A LIFE!

Mike Mayhew · 09-20-2007, 08:15 PM

Is there more than one poll on here ?
The one I see shows 46 to keep things as they are, and 60 voting FOR change in one way or the other.
( either no buttons at all, or move them to the pedal ). That seems like more voting for change than not.

Either way, lets remember that out of 1200 + NHRA stockers, there are relatively few on here, and even fewer voting. Take it with a grain of salt. Nobody should tout their statistics untill there is a comprehensive national vote. However that might happen.

Here's what I wonder. How many overall stockers are presently using 2steps. I don't know. I think it's probably about 50/50 using and not. I would like to know what the split really is at present.
I do know that I've had conversations with many drivers that DO use the 2step, and the vast majority say they use it to "keep up with the Jones". There's alot of these guys that really think they should be outlawed. But they do help their driving so they aren't giving them up unless of a rule change. I know a couple of votes on that pole for " no 2step/button " are drivers presently using them.

On another note, I have never grasped the concept of lowering indexes. Fast cars are still fast, slow cars are still slow. There is still a ladder, and nothing changes. Just the numbers. The only real change is alot of slower cars under the index just became bracket cars. Why ?
Or is this a plan to eliminate some stockers ?

On another note, if everything is equal ( the car(s) flogged to it's fullest ), a carb car will never run with a FI car. FI, computer cars are light years ahead of carb cars now. And still evolving. Talk about AHFS problems of the past. This will be a nightmare !

Monte Howard · 09-20-2007, 08:30 PM

new camaro, firebird or corvette LS1 V.S. 1967 camaro 350cu.powerglide heads-up,that sounds fair,HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!,looks like a good time to build a crate motor for my car or build something new.thanks NHRA.

Alan Roehrich · 09-20-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Howard

new camaro, firebird or corvette LS1 V.S. 1967 camaro 350cu.powerglide heads-up,that sounds fair,HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!,looks like a good time to build a crate motor for my car or build something new.thanks NHRA.

How do you figure that? I think the LS-1 cars will be up around A, and I don't think a 350/Glide Camaro runs A. So how do you figure the heads up?

Dave Casey · 09-20-2007, 08:44 PM

Bob,
Your numbers are correct and so are the ones that I stated as written. I said that I wanted a change and so do most of the racers responding to the poll. Honestly I don't know how the rule will be written related to stick cars, but either of the new options on Kenny's poll are my choice.

Admin,
Less than 50% of the racers voting in Kenny's poll want the rule to stay the same, so as I said before,the majority want a change. I don't think I am being biased at all. I won't be taking anything personally.

Dave

Mike Meier · 09-20-2007, 08:48 PM

I have a better idea than knocking two tenths off. Whoever goes -1.10 or further under the index gets an automatic 5 to 10 hp on Monday for their engine/body style. Then you can move up a class, so there ya go: YOU JUST GOT YOUR TWO TENTHS OFF THE INDEX AND YOU DIDNT PISS IN MY POOL.

Mark Tallent · 09-20-2007, 09:34 PM

Dave, The Poll like most Polls can be skewed any way you like, Bottom line is most voted to keep 2-steps the difference is what to do with the buttons.

Mickey Whaley · 09-20-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Pare Racing

Mickey, I'm gonna be on yer bumper....lol..if I can win dialed, maybe I can win heads-up!!!! peace and shoe polish grease.

hello pare and cheers from ol JIM BEAMm if ur on my bumper ur behind thats good you know i started this what to expect and got no stars and len got 5 this is BS its discrimination im gonna sue somebody, i still think the chick behind the flag is a girl......

Monte Howard · 09-20-2007, 10:07 PM

O.K Alan Roeherich,67 camaro/glide against a LT-1,still not right,I thought the LS-1 could run the 10 lb weight break,when the fi cars were with carb. cars LS-1 could run E or F/SA,I wasnt sure if and or how much HP they have recieved since then.my 67camaro 295/350 runs in E/SA so all LT-1 cars in C/FIA will be heads up with me do you feel thats is fair?

Jack McCarthy · 09-20-2007, 10:14 PM

quit your whining...

len only stated his results sent to nhra .com...
and MAYBE the technical department should have some say in the matter ??

and ... i get bob shaws cadillac heads up ... loads of fun trying to win class next year

thanks len for bringing us up to date

jack mccarthy

09-20-2007, 08:14 PM	#41
Sean Cour Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What to expect While I have been reading this, sometimes I have to chuckle. Take away everything ie; (buttons, two steps, retards-besides the one behind the wheel, blinders, first or worst redlights, blah blah blah blah. One thing you all are forgetting. The same people that win now, will still continue to win. While a few of you that have never won, will still be on the computer bitching about unfair this and unfair that. NHRA is not here to make EVERYONE happy. They are trying to make this complicated racing thing somewhat easier to police. Nobody has all the right answers. I, for one, have tried all of this garbage that everyone is argueing about. It is still up the nut behind the wheel to react, whatever spot that is, to cut a light. I would love to download Peter Biondo's concentration level into my head, but that ain't gonna happen. And if I could do that, someone would just say I was cheating because I used a non approved USB cable, and I am CHEATING. GET A LIFE!

09-20-2007, 08:15 PM	#42
Mike Mayhew Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Savannah Ga. Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What to expect Is there more than one poll on here ? The one I see shows 46 to keep things as they are, and 60 voting FOR change in one way or the other. ( either no buttons at all, or move them to the pedal ). That seems like more voting for change than not. Either way, lets remember that out of 1200 + NHRA stockers, there are relatively few on here, and even fewer voting. Take it with a grain of salt. Nobody should tout their statistics untill there is a comprehensive national vote. However that might happen. Here's what I wonder. How many overall stockers are presently using 2steps. I don't know. I think it's probably about 50/50 using and not. I would like to know what the split really is at present. I do know that I've had conversations with many drivers that DO use the 2step, and the vast majority say they use it to "keep up with the Jones". There's alot of these guys that really think they should be outlawed. But they do help their driving so they aren't giving them up unless of a rule change. I know a couple of votes on that pole for " no 2step/button " are drivers presently using them. On another note, I have never grasped the concept of lowering indexes. Fast cars are still fast, slow cars are still slow. There is still a ladder, and nothing changes. Just the numbers. The only real change is alot of slower cars under the index just became bracket cars. Why ? Or is this a plan to eliminate some stockers ? On another note, if everything is equal ( the car(s) flogged to it's fullest ), a carb car will never run with a FI car. FI, computer cars are light years ahead of carb cars now. And still evolving. Talk about AHFS problems of the past. This will be a nightmare ! Last edited by Mike Mayhew; 09-20-2007 at 08:18 PM. Reason: there was a buggar on the screen

09-20-2007, 08:30 PM	#43
Monte Howard Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Potomac,IL Posts: 279 Likes: 1 Liked 67 Times in 23 Posts	Re: What to expect new camaro, firebird or corvette LS1 V.S. 1967 camaro 350cu.powerglide heads-up,that sounds fair,HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!,looks like a good time to build a crate motor for my car or build something new.thanks NHRA. __________________ Monte Howard 3209 STK, 3208 SS

09-20-2007, 08:44 PM	#45
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,201 Likes: 233 Liked 774 Times in 164 Posts	Re: What to expect Bob, Your numbers are correct and so are the ones that I stated as written. I said that I wanted a change and so do most of the racers responding to the poll. Honestly I don't know how the rule will be written related to stick cars, but either of the new options on Kenny's poll are my choice. Admin, Less than 50% of the racers voting in Kenny's poll want the rule to stay the same, so as I said before,the majority want a change. I don't think I am being biased at all. I won't be taking anything personally. Dave __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

09-20-2007, 08:48 PM	#46
Mike Meier Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Webster, TX Posts: 317 Likes: 126 Liked 39 Times in 8 Posts	Re: What to expect I have a better idea than knocking two tenths off. Whoever goes -1.10 or further under the index gets an automatic 5 to 10 hp on Monday for their engine/body style. Then you can move up a class, so there ya go: YOU JUST GOT YOUR TWO TENTHS OFF THE INDEX AND YOU DIDNT PISS IN MY POOL. __________________ Mike Meier "World's most expensive DF/S" 2007 Chevy Cobalt....because suffering through owning an AMC Stocker wasn't enough

09-20-2007, 09:34 PM	#47
Mark Tallent Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What to expect Dave, The Poll like most Polls can be skewed any way you like, Bottom line is most voted to keep 2-steps the difference is what to do with the buttons. __________________ Mark Tallent 7724 STK, SS

09-20-2007, 10:07 PM	#49
Monte Howard Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Potomac,IL Posts: 279 Likes: 1 Liked 67 Times in 23 Posts	Re: What to expect O.K Alan Roeherich,67 camaro/glide against a LT-1,still not right,I thought the LS-1 could run the 10 lb weight break,when the fi cars were with carb. cars LS-1 could run E or F/SA,I wasnt sure if and or how much HP they have recieved since then.my 67camaro 295/350 runs in E/SA so all LT-1 cars in C/FIA will be heads up with me do you feel thats is fair? __________________ Monte Howard 3209 STK, 3208 SS Last edited by Monte Howard; 09-20-2007 at 10:22 PM. Reason: I needed to add to my post

09-20-2007, 10:14 PM	#50
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 459 Times in 113 Posts	Re: What to expect quit your whining... len only stated his results sent to nhra .com... and MAYBE the technical department should have some say in the matter ?? and ... i get bob shaws cadillac heads up ... loads of fun trying to win class next year thanks len for bringing us up to date jack mccarthy __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"