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Old 03-06-2010, 08:19 PM   #51
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Then what's the problem? What is the issue with the EMI interference? What's it causing?

Honestly, the datalogs should tell you exactly what's happening, if they don't, something is seriously wrong.
Where's that BS you just deleted? How can you compare your 4 cyl. w/a brand new 6.1, boosted, eh??? WJ
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:32 PM   #52
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Nah....

Not a whole lot of room for secret squirrel stuff here, valve spring are one thing we HAVENT had a problem with....lol

Kinda hard to pic the "wrong part" when only 1 set of pistons, 1 set of rods, etc, etc are legal...
Chris, You get 2 different choices of rods. H beam or I beam Scat rods from MP. Personally, I don't like either choice. Talked with Randy Longstreet from Manley and they submitted a Pro Series rod. I also plan on sending one of our 5.7 pistons to Ross. Hold tight and don't rush your next build. I'd wait for the quality parts that'll show up very soon.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:36 PM   #53
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Where's that BS you just deleted? How can you compare your 4 cyl. w/a brand new 6.1, boosted, eh??? WJ
I deleted it because it's irrelevant.

Regardless, you shouldn't be going through motors at this rate.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:38 PM   #54
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Fact of the matter is the word's out that Drooze is not the only DP racer experiencing coming apart issues w/these 6.1 motors.... WJ
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:40 PM   #55
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Fact of the matter is the word's out that Drooze is not the only DP racer experiencing coming apart issues w/these 6.1 motors.... WJ
So what does that mean? There are plenty that aren't having engine problems as well?

Tuning???
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:45 PM   #56
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What about Joey's run at Phoenix?


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Phoenix was a rain out all runs there are aborted... When ever it resumes you will get another shot then random pairings. Also Joey made 2 shut off runs at 10 + seconds.
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Old 03-06-2010, 09:00 PM   #57
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Then what's the problem? What is the issue with the EMI interference? What's it causing?

Honestly, the datalogs should tell you exactly what's happening, if they don't, something is seriously wrong.
Thats one of the problems, the AMOUNT of interference....its zipping logs on BOTH the Ecu and the Wideband logger totally seperate units, its THAT much.

It happens over about 7 grand, below that its ok, but well, lots of EM, it looks like thats solved however.

8 20 amp igniters zapping over 7k and 16 plugs well....a lot of EMI,probably more than its obvious you can imagine. Im pretty familiar with EM and how to shield it, from radio electronics and all my XY expereince when my dad owned his vending company (atari XY games were notorious for that) and it looks like my "super nuclear Drooze 100MEV Faraday Cage" solved it, but hey no hating, it works.

The OPTIONS arent plentiful, not for a hot spark, not on this engine because of the coil rules in regard to numbers, so if you know a way to fire 16 plugs with 8 coils let me know, and a coil that over 65k volts on both sides. May be an import unit but we cant find one.

So the option is use a hotter igniter and spark booster, but with the igniters they were enough so we removed the spark booster, and we were still good.

Now for a new and improved non-trackside built one.....(em shield) Time to dig out all my old HAM radio gear.....(I KNEW it would have a use again !) I had to make this one out of roof flashing, alluminum window screen, anti static mylar coated bubble wrap (sun shielding) and a few other handy items I grabbed at Home Depot.

Its enough EM its zapping the flash ram....seriously.....And Not just on our ECU, but other systems, including a laptop if its in the car......when the FCC comes knocking Ill know why....its like running a magnetron in the open.

I can also throw an arc HOT across a .060 gap at over 8k....so no spark issues But the lack of spark issues are causing other issues,

I got logs outta the last "Catastrophe" however.......so now I can print em out and hand em to the old man any time he gets "punchy"

Were aware of the issues and working to resolve them....that didnt cause a rod to aerate the pan, other things, mechanical did.....simple, 2 seperate issues.

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I don't know, but it could end up being poor quality rods, or pistons if I were to guess, but we'll see what happens at Gainesville....there should be some DP's there.....Irv Johns seems to have the strongest one so far, but only he knows how high he's spinning it....See if Irv, Gartlits and Jeggie and maybe 1 or 2 more show up at the Gators....see how fast they go down there....Neat cars....but NEW, and new almost always means there are gremlins to deal with....my opinion only.....WJ

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Drooze, are you looking at the data logs after every run?
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Old 03-06-2010, 09:11 PM   #60
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Drooze, are you looking at the data logs after every run?
Nope, Im letting them all accumlate, then I figure I will print them out wallpaper my trailer with them and get a Ouiji board to divine the location of Elvis Presley.

Sorry couldnt resist, we are reviewing what we get yes....

What logs are going to tell me about Oiling issues I have no idea, but yes.

On the Oil side were running what supposed to be the best windage avaiable and a 3 quart (3 full quart) accumulator......

Noting more will be known until I get it home and tear it down.
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