Stockers....buttons.....check This Out

[Michael Beard]

Warning: This post is mostly off-topic.
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>> THIS IS A POSSIBLE NHRA RULE CHANGE SO NHRA GUYS SHOULD DECIDE IT.

If you read the preceeding posts, it's been explained why it concerns IHRA racers.

>> Bring your Pure Stock car to a div one event and your sucess will be limited.

More limited success than not being in the top 125 in 2006, or more limited than not showing up in the points at all in 2007? Well, at least you finished Top 10 a couple of years. My rookie season in NHRA, I finished 11th in Div. 1 Stock with a four-cylinder front wheel drive car. -=shrug=- While I typically make it a point not to get into all the name-calling and mudslinging, because it does absolutely nothing to advance the discussion, I take particular exception to stonethrowers living in glass houses. Point being, Lee's car and driving abilities are irrelevant to the value of his opinion. (But if it helps, Lee has found a great deal of E.T. within some extremely restrictive rules... sounds like the foundation of Stock eliminator to me.)

"Stockracer" bothers me less, because he typically doesn't even try to post anything relevant to the discussion. Unlike Jeff, I don't even care if Stockracer tells us who he is or what he drives, etc. As long as he says, "This is my opinion about the subject, and this is why I feel this way." then he has added something of value to the debate.

>> NHRA DOSENT HAVE A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUILD A BRACKET CAR AND CALL IT A STOCKER ALA CM CLASS

Perhaps you can tell me all about crate motor cars and the rules so that I can understand how they are bracket cars... then maybe I'll understand what this has to do with 2-steps.

>> OR A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUY A 200 HP STREET CAR AND RACE IT.

That's called a turbo car. Do Sunbirds count? They make a lot less than 200hp. They're still Stockers. ...and what this has to do with 2-steps is...?

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Hey, here's something to do with the topic of discussion!

>> Why can't we just leave the rules alone so we can all race?

Eliminating two-steps in automatics would not hinder anyone from competing.

$.02,

[Jack McCarthy]

two steps belong on a country dance club floor
throttle stops belong on a u-haul truck
delay boxes belong on ... well... how about a dumpster

if we dont stop the button / blinder racing all cars will be A - G cars...no one builds anything else.

stockers should be able to be driven without all this crap...
let the techmen keep busy looking for those liteweight pistons,oversive valves, wrong blocks and heads short on cc's... instead of rewiring a stocker

and i cant drive a lick i need the EASY BUTTON - and someone to use it

captain jack

and like deep staging...same guys will still win a higher % they are better than me.

[stockracer]

First you took away deep satging...Now you want buttons gone...And if I read correctly, now blinders are an issue...when will you stop and race. No matter what best package wins, If you cant do it foot braking, you cant do it with a button, you cant do it with a delay box, you cant do it period! Some people are naturally good and it dont matter what they do or you do to them! How many of you button haters hit a pratice tree? Do you do any good? If its easier put a button in your car..ITS LEGAL, THERES NO UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!

But while were tryin to make it easier to win I would like to see every one with 20/20 vision tossed, NHRA spec glasses for the rest...No top end braking/whomping/dumping...Guys who win more then 2 races a year should be suspended for the rest of the year...Stick cars get automatic .05 knocked off there package (cause theyre at such a disadvantage, even though helms is 3-TIME champ)...Oh, and for jack, when you call NHRA to get a number they tell you what combo to build...that way its even, not just a bunch of A-G cars!

Beard...My opinion....Every one needs to quit making excuses, and go race! If your gettin beat by a button, BUY ONE...or GET BETTER!

[burton5809]

Maybe its just me but it seems the people that are always complaining are the people that are not winning races....coincidence???? Get off your keyboards and get a practice tree and go race...practice makes perfect!

[Bruce Noland]

This is just an alert for the manufacturers - get the money right boys!

[Myron Piatek]

Originally Posted by stockracer

Look out for Beard and Piatek now! Theyre fixin to tell you how hard I-side racing is, and if you think you can win come on over and try! Problem is trying to find them hole-in-tha-wall tracks, most are only 1/8 mile races anyway! haaahaaaha!

Well, let's see. Bertozzi, Fletcher, Grubbs, Helms, ....I can go on & on. Lot's of cross-overs. They have their good days and bad days in NHRA as well as IHRA. I don't see their records much different between the two sanctioning bodies this year. That would lead me to believe that the competition isn't that much different either!

As for 1/8 mile racing. I suppose you'd rather not race at all than race 1/8 mile? The goals and level of competition are the same. As long as the tracks are prepped right, it should be a level playing field. In fact, I hear more about "one lane race tracks" from the NHRA side than IHRA......and that's at their national events!

I'd love to try NHRA. But time and money keep me from doing that. IHRA is less expensive in the long run.
Many others will agree. And we always welcome NHRA regulars and enjoy mixing it up with them.

Gotta run. Got business to take care of this weekend!

[Charley Downing]

Stock Eliminator racing has always been a game of choice. Weather that it be racing a ford or chevy, mustang or camaro, the racer him or herself still has that choice to make based on there preference. With the button issue this is still true. If one racer wants to foot brake and one wants to two step then there should be no problem. The problem start when one racer tells another racer there is only one way to leave the starting line. If NHRA were to get rid of two steps they must also get rid of blinders etc. Also if two steps are gone then make everyone have the same kind of brakes because some breaks release quicker than others. The point is that you can never equal the playing field unless everything is the same and the only way to do that is have everyone race the same car in the same class with the same equipment (pro stock). NHRA please leave this issue how it is now, up to the racer and there style of racing.

[LNorton]

>>Maybe its just me but it seems the people that are always complaining are the people that are not winning races....coincidence???? Get off your keyboards and get a practice tree and go race...practice makes perfect!

I make approx. 50 hits a day on the little tree.

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For once I agree with stockracer here. I would like to see them out of the auto cars, but they are still legal. Stock has moved a long way from stock... They should change Super Stock to Modified, Stock to Super Stock, and Pure Stock to Stock.

[Harry 6674]

I live in the northwest and am not real familiar with IHRA. We have no tracks even though some have been available in recent years. Spokane is for sale now from what I understand. What makes IHRA cheaper to race than NHRA?

[tpoh815]

take a button or leave it. none of this is squabbling means a thing. it happens every year about the same time. even if it gets banned the best will still be the best! also my take on the e-shift. will racers be upset if some racers go to non- manual valve bodies .(car actually shifts itself) this isnt unheard of. not much differance. if offering ill take both. peace.mikey h