Hood Scoops to Comp

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Jim Storms, so what about the GT cars. When did they build a rear wheel drive Escort or Cobalt or Avenger or G5 ? When was a V-8 available in these cars? Careful what you wish for......Joe We need to face it FWD conversion cars changed the complexion of S/S for better or worse, I personally like them. Without some of these new cars and classes S/S would be pretty slim on car counts. IMO

Joe,
The whole point here was that the modified cars can run comp and could be moved to comp to save the class from dying. Your comparison of the GT front wheel drive conversions really doesn't apply to what Don brought up. How many GT cars run 150+mph? Plus, none of them fit into a comp class.....which the Modified, Modified Stock and Experimental (X) Class cars do.

Super Stock as a class would not be hurt if these cars were put into comp. I personally don't think this will happen, but if it did it would be good for Comp. How many races did you see a full Comp field this year??? How about Super Stock? I'm sure the SS fields would have filled up even without the modified cars!!

[Michael Lyons]

"no one read into this post"?? lmao

I guess its really easy to sit on ones ever widening butt and lobby for a rule change that "supposedly" helps out another class, and also conviently benefits ones self, all at no cost to ones self, but at a cost of literally tens of thousands of dollars to a fellow competitor whom several of which probably don't have pockets any deeper than your own irregardless of the economy. And I realize that it seems it was done tongue in cheek, to possibly "rev up the troops" so you can have a laugh at someone elses expense or whatever it takes for you to get your jollies?.. But all kiding aside I personally have had a class eliminated and was left with thousands of dollars in parts and years of effort invested somewhat down the drain. And after spending $30,000 additional costs to "re-tool" ended up in Super Stock because thats a class "they" said I could transition too. To now have to "transition again" would be really unacceptable. Wouldn't it be alot more sensible and decent for you to just invest in your program to make your car faster or more consistent or generally more competitive than to offer up my wages? Honestly I think your petition is quite irresponsible and selfish. And I personally am not laughing anymore..

Have a good day and best of luck to you in 2010

[RPM5595]

It seems to me that most of you guys that think the "scoop cars" should or could be moved into Comp are assuming we would go. I personally would have to quit before I started. Maybe someday I can afford to be competitive in Comp but right now I don't have any desire to be an "also run". IF anything needs to be done to move the scoop cars out of SS then I think the NHRA should just re-instate Modified Eliminator but with indexes and dial-ins. Oh wait, that is what SS is. You guys that bitch about the horrible scoop cars ruining SS are full of it. As has been stated by others, when did a FRONT wheel drive Cobalt or GXP or Escort or any other FRONT wheel drive car ever come as REAR wheel drive with a V8? As far as I'm concerned Stock Eliminator is the new Super Stock and Super Stock is the new Modified. Things will never go back to what some of you want it too and the sooner that is realized the easier it will be for all of us. If it is SO reasonable to expect the scoop cars to JUST move into Comp than why is it any less reasonable to tell the guys that are bitching about having to run a 150plus mph car in SS to JUST build a faster car? What is the difference?

[Chris1529]

how about leaving them in superstock, but make the rule say you can only run a hood that came from the factory?

[Mike Taylor 3601]

I don't have anything to do with this but I say leave stuff alone.Pretty much any Mod car could run comp with engine-trans changes so most likely if those guys wanted or could afford comp they would be running it already. Comp car counts are'nt low because of lack of cars or lack of interest I'd say it would be lack of cash comp is high dollar and I would race it at the drop of a hat if I had the money to do it and I'm sure this forum is full of Comp wannabes just like me.
Mike Taylor3601

[RPM5595]

Originally Posted by Chris1529

how about leaving them in superstock, but make the rule say you can only run a hood that came from the factory?

Why? The cars will still go 150 plus so what would that change? My engine will not allow the carb to be under the flat hood unless I have someone make a horrible low profile intake and that kind of defeats the purpose of having a Modified. and it will still go 150. Would a 8 in. cowl hood make anyone feel better? Just leave it alone. It's NOT broke. If the original idea is to get more cars in Comp then make a couple classes in Comp that are more affordable. Of course "affordable" is a relative term in Comp. Maybe a "spec" head or engine class. Then we can all spend a ton of money trying to cheat........................

[BlueOval Ralph]

But all kiding aside I personally have had a class eliminated and was left with thousands of dollars in parts and years of effort invested somewhat down the drain.

This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time this has happened in NHRA Modified Elmin, Pro Stock Truck, Import Series and just reading the Smoke Signals out of Calif soon COMP! In IHRA Super modified, Factory Exp. and modified. It will happen again and it affect a lot of racers. so quit Crying about it!!!
JMPO

Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

"no one read into this post"?? lmao

I guess its really easy to sit on ones ever widening butt and lobby for a rule change that "supposedly" helps out another class, and also conviently benefits ones self, all at no cost to ones self, but at a cost of literally tens of thousands of dollars to a fellow competitor whom several of which probably don't have pockets any deeper than your own irregardless of the economy. And I realize that it seems it was done tongue in cheek, to possibly "rev up the troops" so you can have a laugh at someone elses expense or whatever it takes for you to get your jollies?.. But all kiding aside I personally have had a class eliminated and was left with thousands of dollars in parts and years of effort invested somewhat down the drain. And after spending $30,000 additional costs to "re-tool" ended up in Super Stock because thats a class "they" said I could transition too. To now have to "transition again" would be really unacceptable. Wouldn't it be alot more sensible and decent for you to just invest in your program to make your car faster or more consistent or generally more competitive than to offer up my wages? Honestly I think your petition is quite irresponsible and selfish. And I personally am not laughing anymore..

Have a good day and best of luck to you in 2010

[Michael Lyons]

As long as people post irresponsible posts, I'll have to defend myself so p.o.

jmho

[buzzinhalfdozen]

This thread really seems to be getting out of hand. Me, I've got a scoop car because it fits my budget and the class appeals to me . Without the help of a few people Donn Rhode @ Precision Engines and Mike Lyons I probably wouldn't be out there racing. I, like many require some help with my racing and it's nice to have some people whos knowledge helps me be more competitive. There are as many varying view points on this as there are racers, not everyone is going to be happy about what ever rules or classes are there are but that doesn't change the fact that .......there are classes in the rule book that allow S/S cars to have a hood scoop like it or not. the S/S guys need to worry about S/S and let the Comp guys worry about their class.IMO...Joe

[jarn05]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Since NHRA Competiton Eliminator car count is down what about moving any car in Super Stock that has an after market Hood scoop on it to Comp eliminator . this would be a good move on NHRA part to help save Comp Eliminator to help increase the car count in that eliminator would be a wise move or a bad move ??.

let it rip boys and girls

ps The post has absolutely nothing to do with anyone personally Just a simple post so Please no one read into this other than what was posted .Just maybe a way to save comp if it is in trouble with car count , just a simple statement nothing more everyone wheww

don i have a car that i am trying to run in both classes, comp does not run everywhere nor does super stock,instead of having two race cars i chose to have a car that will fit in two seperate catagories running one engine combo and only minor weight change (ss/dm-g/sma).
did you ever ask any s/s modified car owners why the chose "hood scoop cars" in s/s, i bet everyone you ask has the same answer and it is not soft indexes, the reason my father and i built the avenger was to eliminate the tear down bull *****, check the carbs and pump it! pass go collect $200.00!!!!
after years of tearing hemi's apart at the track and at home and everywhere else owning a modified car is a walk in the park, maintenence is no more than enyone else should be doing.