A/SA First in the 9.80's

[EdgarTurbo]

Originally Posted by ygbsm

Geez some of you guys are real jerks. Why would I want to race with you?

I am on the list for a 2010 DP and have been reading these forums to educate myself and learn what kind of men I would be racing with. I've been a Mopar man since high school 20 years ago. I'm not too impressed with some of you so far. Being upset about HP is one thing, but personal attacks against DP and CJ owners/ drivers is a whole 'nother ball game. I thought you guys wanted new blood in your sport? Some of you don't act that way.

If this is the kind of reception I can expect every weekend, I'll go back to road racing where competitors are actually willing to help each other out.

I have to agree with you Mark, that's in stock class. I remember when I was in bracket racing it was a different story, I was always one of the slowest cars but I was good cutting the lights, so for me on bracket no matter the car I was drive it was no problem at all but in stock is different. I have to said that for me, as a member of class racer is been great for me. I received a lot of help from great people here. So ygbsm no worries this is a great website for reference and help from the professionals.

[Mack Reeves]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I love Mopars but how can you call a car that Is'nt really street legal that comes with a Caravan axle in place of the rear end a Stock Eliminator car???????????????????

Hey Ed, NHRA says so.... And no matter what any of us think here, its their ball game and we all play by their rules or we move on the another game... JMO.......

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Alan Quote=I really didnt see a need to spell it out...

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

Alan, I know you are aware of this and I've said it on this forum before...
fact: the faster car has the advantage.... period. Having one of the fastest cars in the eliminator is a perfect example of what Jack said in one of the previous posts..... "And you should know that putting yourself into a position to win is key -- ".

Uhhhhhh.....ok maybe its because Im dim sometime, maybe its because I dont have familiarity with all the players and are smart enough to know who I "should" be afraid of, (in this case I was familiar with this driver and his abilities, not personally but from reads)

Sorry Alan....there was one dip**** (ala me) who was wondering and honest "No why ?" Lol.......

[bill dedman]

Mark; that was then; this is now....
I don't have it in me (relax, Ed) to go down that bunny trail one more time.

After beating that horse to death, only to realize that I had done such a miserable job of explaining the facts, that even the drivers of "s-l-o-w" cars failed to see the value in a worse red light system, I moved on, bought a '64 Valiant and a slant 6 (30psi boosted turbo project,) wherein I may be the second to leave at my bracket track, sometime...

Outta gas in Arkensaw....

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Mark; that was then; this is now....
I don't have it in me (relax, Ed) to go down that bunny trail one more time.

After beating that horse to death, only to realize that I had done such a miserable job of explaining the facts, that even the drivers of "s-l-o-w" cars failed to see the value in a worse red light system, I moved on, bought a '64 Valiant and a slant 6 (30psi boosted turbo project,) wherein I may be the second to leave at my bracket track, sometime...

Outta gas in Arkensaw....

Matt Cramers montrosity ? (and I say that in a good way)

I mean how many 30lb boots 64 slant six valliants are there ...

[bill dedman]

Nope, Chris, I'm a little slow on the uptake; Matt is about ten years ahead of my home-brew project, but we'll get there. I am attempting to catch up, somewhat, by adhering to the K.I.S.S. policy with a 750 Holley, an MSD 7-AL and a 904 with a manual valve body.

MIGHT be up and running later this year... Talk's cheap; we'll see..... (You know the deal...) LOL!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Nope, Chris, I'm a little slow on the uptake; Matt is about ten years ahead of my home-brew project, but we'll get there. I am attempting to catch up, somewhat, by adhering to the K.I.S.S. policy with a 750 Holley, an MSD 7-AL and a 904 with a manual valve body.

MIGHT be up and running later this year... Talk's cheap; we'll see..... (You know the deal...) LOL!

Hey I was gonna go with blow throughs on my 5.7 turbo for the 72 chally....

You outta see the size of the fan matts got now for that thing, I think I could rig it into a 100horse APU turbine with little effort....I mean I swear its a big diesel fan but its not.....Ill ask him what it is next time I talk to him....its stupid big.....but then again cooler air....so who knows.Looks like a good candiate to turn that slant 6 into keychain souvineers

Rock on...are you doing your own blow through conversion ?

[Mike Mans]

I rarely ever post on these boards, but this topic is just nuts. I understand people's frustration with fast combinations, but why does everyone complain instead of go work on their own stuff? If you are running a combination that has been beaten to death over the life of the car, i feel for you - but complaining will never make you fast again. It is absolutely ludicrous that everyone has been raising hell over the fact that Ford and Chrysler have played by the rules set forth in the NHRA rulebook and have purpose built cars within the guidelines to be competitive. Having factory involvement again Stock and Super Stock is a blessing and will hopefully keep our classes thriving into the future. Everyone in any class can be capable of winning, no matter how fast you are (as long as you can run the index obviously). It's not like the guys with the new cars are out here winning every event, so who cares how fast they go? I think you should all be impressed that a boat of a Drag Pak car with a 372 cubic inch motor with no power adders can outrun an old school 426 hemi with two carburetors!! Believe it or not, this is supposed to happen - it's evolution and progression. If a new performance car can't outrun an old performance car - the new one has some terrible engineering involved.

I know this has to be a generational thing, because I've heard the impressive story numerous times about how Ben Wenzel bought his 1967 Z-28 Camaro new, brought it to the racetrack and won the US Nationals with it in 1967. Now why can't someone go and buy a new Cobra Jet and come out and do the same thing without being harassed? If anyone wants to see Stock and Super Stock continue, there needs to be a progression with technology and reason to attract new, youthful drivers or it will be dead in 15 years. I don't have any demographic numbers, but when you walk through the staging lanes for Stock or Super Stock it's very evident that roughly 75% of these guys won't be heavily involved within the next 10 to 15 years simply because of their age! You guys hate seeing new cars come out strong, but when you were younger and used to go to your local racetrack - were you pumped to see a 32 Chevy make a run? No, you were all jacked up about your '67 Cobra Jets, '69 Camaros, '68 Hemi's etc... Those cars were all relatively new and high performance. Now why would a youthful guy/girl want to come out to a drag strip and watch a full class of 45 year old cars putt down the track? Nowadays people are educated on fuel injection and computers. A carburetor hasn't been on a factory car in 20 years!!! Just because many of you get frustrated on the new technology, doesn't mean it shouldn't be involved in present day class racing.

So many of you want a new class for all of the new factory race cars, well - how about NHRA just creates a class for you instead. Nostalgia Stock. Otherwise, get back to work on your car not your keyboard.

Mike Mans

*** This post was not meant to insult or criticize anyone with older generation cars, I truly am a fan of them and appreciate old school muscle and performance.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Mike Mans

I rarely ever post on these boards, but this topic is just nuts. I understand people's frustration with fast combinations, but why does everyone complain instead of go work on their own stuff? If you are running a combination that has been beaten to death over the life of the car, i feel for you - but complaining will never make you fast again. It is absolutely ludicrous that everyone has been raising hell over the fact that Ford and Chrysler have played by the rules set forth in the NHRA rulebook and have purpose built cars within the guidelines to be competitive. Having factory involvement again Stock and Super Stock is a blessing and will hopefully keep our classes thriving into the future. Everyone in any class can be capable of winning, no matter how fast you are (as long as you can run the index obviously). It's not like the guys with the new cars are out here winning every event, so who cares how fast they go? I think you should all be impressed that a boat of a Drag Pak car with a 372 cubic inch motor with no power adders can outrun an old school 426 hemi with two carburetors!! Believe it or not, this is supposed to happen - it's evolution and progression. If a new performance car can't outrun an old performance car - the new one has some terrible engineering involved.

I know this has to be a generational thing, because I've heard the impressive story numerous times about how Ben Wenzel bought his 1967 Z-28 Camaro new, brought it to the racetrack and won the US Nationals with it in 1967. Now why can't someone go and buy a new Cobra Jet and come out and do the same thing without being harassed? If anyone wants to see Stock and Super Stock continue, there needs to be a progression with technology and reason to attract new, youthful drivers or it will be dead in 15 years. I don't have any demographic numbers, but when you walk through the staging lanes for Stock or Super Stock it's very evident that roughly 75% of these guys won't be heavily involved within the next 10 to 15 years simply because of their age! You guys hate seeing new cars come out strong, but when you were younger and used to go to your local racetrack - were you pumped to see a 32 Chevy make a run? No, you were all jacked up about your '67 Cobra Jets, '69 Camaros, '68 Hemi's etc... Those cars were all relatively new and high performance. Now why would a youthful guy/girl want to come out to a drag strip and watch a full class of 45 year old cars putt down the track? Nowadays people are educated on fuel injection and computers. A carburetor hasn't been on a factory car in 20 years!!! Just because many of you get frustrated on the new technology, doesn't mean it shouldn't be involved in present day class racing.

So many of you want a new class for all of the new factory race cars, well - how about NHRA just creates a class for you instead. Nostalgia Stock. Otherwise, get back to work on your car not your keyboard.

Mike Mans

*** This post was not meant to insult or criticize anyone with older generation cars, I truly am a fan of them and appreciate old school muscle and performance.

Mike -Very well written -- and thanks - now there are two of us that think this way.......

[Steve Hagberg]

Thanks you Mike for a very thoughtful post. I think you're spot on with where we're at with stock and super stock right now. I bought my first new car in 1966, a Hemi Belvedere, raced it for a few years, and still have it. So when 4 years ago I decided to try stock class racing again, I naturally related to the cars of my youth. I wish I could somehow accurately express the emotions I felt as a 23 year old competing with a new factory muscle car at the height of the factory musclecar era. Pure excitement and adrenaline don't do it justice. Now I'm racing a 46 year old Hemi car and still having a lot of fun. To me this is all about having fun. And as I've told many of my friends, if I were twenty years younger, I'd be all over a new DP Challenger. I won't be able to do this for a whole lot longer, but as long as I'm having fun, I'll be there. And you're right, the odds of running up against a new generation car and losing isn't a whole lot different that just losing a round because of missing the tree or the dial. I think we all need to just focus on the long view, have fun, and try to think of keeping this going for the generations to follow. Steve