**Final decision on two-step usage** - Page 7

tgriffith · 10-22-2007, 10:30 PM

""""not have to react to the tree'''''

already seen one of those back in 95 or so,,,,and watched it work,,,,,it had 2 major problems,,,,,,1) he couldnt aim it without being noticed,,,,2) couldnt get it to work on a bracket tree,,,,at the time,,they`re were no blinders or cups around the lites,,,,,,,it worked great bench testing and on a pro tree in the dark,,,,but other than that,,,,it was a mess

I figure that with the LED`s ,,,somebody,,somewhere,,has gotten one to work,,,,,,

Ive actually seen items that can track a car every hundred foot down the track and the signal was sent to a lap top in the pits as the guy was making a run,,,,it even sent back info on water temp and oil pressure,,,,,damnest thing I`d ever seen and would have swore it wasnt possible,,,,this item could have never been hid but it just shows that if one wants to cheat,,,the tech is out there to do it,,,at the time ,,this company was trying to get into nascar and this item was to go on a roundy car,,,,,I knew the sales/tech rep and they had it on a car at a bristol bracket race testing,,,,,,,He didnt have a clue it was illegal and wasnt sending info back to the driver,,,,but I seen it and it works and at the time( 2002,,I think),,,price was 30k for a complete unit..........it was neat to watch

Alan Roehrich · 10-22-2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedracer

It seems to me that if you can have a conversation on a cell phone or connect to the internet via a wireless network,then the technology is there (or soon will be) to operate a two step via a wireless remote switch.
The drag racer of the future will not have to react to the tree,shift,or drive the finish line.Technology will advance to the point where there is nothing for the "driver" to do.

And if your foot isn't off the brakes, it'll blow the tires right off the rims. It's REAL simple, it's been tried, if you get off the two step before you're off the pedal, it'll just spin. And no, the two step releasing will NOT toss your foot off the pedal. That's a crock. At least in the case of the high HP A, B, or C cars everyone seems to be whining about.

Alan Roehrich · 10-22-2007, 10:37 PM

Real time telemetry has been around for years. The guys racing airplanes at Reno have had it for several years now. In the Unlimited class, at 500 MPH 50 feet off the ground, it's hard for the pilot to monitor the engine. They've had it in F1 racing for years as well.

There was a bracket racer around the South in the eighties that got caught with sensors in his fake headlights picking up the tree. Yes, it can be done.

tgriffith · 10-22-2007, 10:58 PM

I was suprised stuff like this was that easy to get,,,,,,,but there will alway be one that finds a way to win,,,underhandedly,,,,,,I seen a delay box that was built in the late 70`s ,,,,,it was before transbrakes were either legal or not yet been built for the masses but anyway,,,this guy had won 2 or more world championships with Ihra in SS,,,,it was back when there were 5 ambers instead of 3,,,,,,he was using a drive shaft brake to hold the car and using the delay box,,,,,,on the other hand,,,its like the matty stuff,,,,before it was deemed illegal,,,,,was it cheating or was it innovative??? I think when you take innovation out of the sport then thats when it just becomes strickly bracket racing,,,,,,,, it sure would be boring if the only option on the car is color

I mean Ive said this for years,,,,,its kinda like the guy that invented the wheel,,,,,was he smart or just lazy???

Ryan Horensky · 10-23-2007, 12:11 AM

I thought a good amount of racers still raced with the two step mounted on the brake pedal or in the vicinity. I know alot of guys have had it mounted elsewhere, but I'm sure there are alot of racers that won't be affected by this rule change at all. I footbrake, but have tried the two-step mounted on the brake pedal because I too am not coordinated enough to get 2 motions going on at the same time. It is nice to know that I may have the opportunity to try a two-step in the future if I choose too. I really don't agree with having votes to change existing rules in stock unless its safety oriented, like wheelie bars were or something of some benefit to the racers. If everyone keeps voting on stuff we'll all be on treaded tires without line locks pretty soon. It's almost 2008.....not 1970. Theres nothing wrong with taking a step forward instead of backwards. Just my opinion. not trying to offend anyone!

Ryan Horensky
1273 C/SA

John Lang · 10-23-2007, 12:37 PM

Yes air shifters are legal in all Stk Elim cars, as per Glendora, Ca,,,,,,,,,,, John Lang

pauldilcher · 10-23-2007, 12:53 PM

RYAN, We had line locks on our rick-shaws in 1970, really. GRAMPY

stockracer · 10-23-2007, 01:17 PM

How are air shifters legal in stock?

Stick Racing · 10-23-2007, 01:34 PM

John ment e-shifters. Same thing.

Michael Beard · 10-23-2007, 03:28 PM

I'm afraid he meant what he said. He posted in the other section of this forum:

Quote:

At approx 4.45PM CDT I got an answer from the NHRA about the TurboAction add in the dragster in regard to electric shifters in stock elim, as in they are legal! Even air shifters In all stock elim cars..... John Lang. That by the way came from Glendora! And dats the truth!
__________________
John Lang 365 STK, SS

Although you'd think that NHRA would post an announcement on something like that.
But I'm just an IHRA racer, so what do I know?

10-22-2007, 10:30 PM	#61
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage """"not have to react to the tree''''' already seen one of those back in 95 or so,,,,and watched it work,,,,,it had 2 major problems,,,,,,1) he couldnt aim it without being noticed,,,,2) couldnt get it to work on a bracket tree,,,,at the time,,they`re were no blinders or cups around the lites,,,,,,,it worked great bench testing and on a pro tree in the dark,,,,but other than that,,,,it was a mess I figure that with the LED`s ,,,somebody,,somewhere,,has gotten one to work,,,,,, Ive actually seen items that can track a car every hundred foot down the track and the signal was sent to a lap top in the pits as the guy was making a run,,,,it even sent back info on water temp and oil pressure,,,,,damnest thing I`d ever seen and would have swore it wasnt possible,,,,this item could have never been hid but it just shows that if one wants to cheat,,,the tech is out there to do it,,,at the time ,,this company was trying to get into nascar and this item was to go on a roundy car,,,,,I knew the sales/tech rep and they had it on a car at a bristol bracket race testing,,,,,,,He didnt have a clue it was illegal and wasnt sending info back to the driver,,,,but I seen it and it works and at the time( 2002,,I think),,,price was 30k for a complete unit..........it was neat to watch

10-22-2007, 10:37 PM	#63
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,115 Likes: 1,572 Liked 1,829 Times in 414 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage Real time telemetry has been around for years. The guys racing airplanes at Reno have had it for several years now. In the Unlimited class, at 500 MPH 50 feet off the ground, it's hard for the pilot to monitor the engine. They've had it in F1 racing for years as well. There was a bracket racer around the South in the eighties that got caught with sensors in his fake headlights picking up the tree. Yes, it can be done. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-22-2007, 10:58 PM	#64
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage I was suprised stuff like this was that easy to get,,,,,,,but there will alway be one that finds a way to win,,,underhandedly,,,,,,I seen a delay box that was built in the late 70`s ,,,,,it was before transbrakes were either legal or not yet been built for the masses but anyway,,,this guy had won 2 or more world championships with Ihra in SS,,,,it was back when there were 5 ambers instead of 3,,,,,,he was using a drive shaft brake to hold the car and using the delay box,,,,,,on the other hand,,,its like the matty stuff,,,,before it was deemed illegal,,,,,was it cheating or was it innovative??? I think when you take innovation out of the sport then thats when it just becomes strickly bracket racing,,,,,,,, it sure would be boring if the only option on the car is color I mean Ive said this for years,,,,,its kinda like the guy that invented the wheel,,,,,was he smart or just lazy???

10-23-2007, 12:11 AM	#65
Ryan Horensky Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sugarloaf,PA Posts: 201 Likes: 19 Liked 109 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage I thought a good amount of racers still raced with the two step mounted on the brake pedal or in the vicinity. I know alot of guys have had it mounted elsewhere, but I'm sure there are alot of racers that won't be affected by this rule change at all. I footbrake, but have tried the two-step mounted on the brake pedal because I too am not coordinated enough to get 2 motions going on at the same time. It is nice to know that I may have the opportunity to try a two-step in the future if I choose too. I really don't agree with having votes to change existing rules in stock unless its safety oriented, like wheelie bars were or something of some benefit to the racers. If everyone keeps voting on stuff we'll all be on treaded tires without line locks pretty soon. It's almost 2008.....not 1970. Theres nothing wrong with taking a step forward instead of backwards. Just my opinion. not trying to offend anyone! Ryan Horensky 1273 C/SA

10-23-2007, 12:37 PM	#66
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage Yes air shifters are legal in all Stk Elim cars, as per Glendora, Ca,,,,,,,,,,, John Lang __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

10-23-2007, 12:53 PM	#67
pauldilcher Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 425 Likes: 1 Liked 52 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage RYAN, We had line locks on our rick-shaws in 1970, really. GRAMPY

10-23-2007, 01:17 PM	#68
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage How are air shifters legal in stock?

10-23-2007, 01:34 PM	#69
Stick Racing Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 169 Likes: 4 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Final decision on two-step usage John ment e-shifters. Same thing.