2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes - Page 8

Bobby Zlatkin · 10-28-2010, 01:46 PM

James, what the hell does 'worst red light' have to do with getting rid of heads up runs? Diffenent issues.
I think maybe you're the donkey or maybe just a horses ***.

treessavoy · 10-28-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger K Fain

Treesavoy...how about the 55-60 Corvettes that have an inherent advantage w/ a 36" driveshaft as opposed to a tri-five sedan w/ the same engine/induction combination, along with a Jerico trans. and corporate 12 bolt and Calvert bars. Not to mention 55-57 Paxton supercharged Ford Thunderbirds w/four spd (Jerico/G force) trannies and 9" rear to spice up the action. Does anyone remember the 56-57 Plymouth Furies w/two fours and pushbutton touqreflite that terrorized the '57 Chevies. There is a ton of nostalgia 59-64 Chevy 409 freaks out there racing right now that have been waiting to get into the action.

I agree about the Corvettes but whose going to modify a car that's worth $70,000.00 and it's even worse with the blown fords, they are woth anywhere from $100,000 and up. Amos Minter, the best Thundredbird restorer in th world, sells his blown birds for $250,000 and up!

When was the last time you even saw a early Fury much less a two four car? There is probably enough parts and cars around that you could build a 348 or 409 car but would it be competitive? The '56 Chrysler 300 which was the first car to be manufactured with one HP per cubic inch (sorry chevy guys) might be a factor but they are all in Museums.

The tri-five cars are most abundant, a majority racers are chevy guys, and more developement has been done on the small block chevy than any other engine ever produced.

Nope, this rule only helps tri-five chevy guys and here's the general outlook that you'll find. I own a '58 Pontiac Chieftan sedan with the 370 engine, 3-2's, auto and posi. These cars were the scourge of D/SA in the day turning mid 14's, my car has 28k original miles and in todays classification it falls in I/SA. Do you think I'm going to modify a $40,000.00 car only to be uncompetitive? Nope!

Lastly, no one makes racing parts for anything but the tri-fives for all the other combinations everything would have to be hand made or some manufacturer would have to be convinced to manufacture parts for these out of date cars.

JimR

Ed Fernandez · 10-28-2010, 04:04 PM

Now would be the perfect time to finally utilize the software that's already been written, so that the WORST red light is the loser.
Ans;Get a life and a real name

Well obviously if both cars leave at the same time, then the FIRST red light would be the WORST red light. I was referring to anywhere with a handicapped tree, most would realize that. The slower car has the advantage of the clean tree, the fast car has the advantage of the First red light. I don't see the problem with that, neither does most of the class racing, and bracket racing communities.
I've very rarely left first.I knew going in that I have the first chance at going red.No big deal.The fairness is no distractions at the tree.

True, there are equal advantages (now) with clean tree vs first red light, but conveniently ignoring the better advantage of having the race in front of you...the best advantage

Correcto.

Im with you 1000% on this. All of the fast guys conveniently "forget" the advantage of having the race in front of them all the way down the track. Hummmmm, maybe that's why the super class racers build big inch engines and run high MPH to keep their opponent out in front of them.....LOL

Also correcto.

If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell.

Great comeback.

I have only met a few racers that honestly prefer being the slower car all the rest are just racers that say that because they can't afford to be the fastest car. We've had the Xmas tree since the early 60's but until the reaction timer was introduced the slower car didn't know he had done a better job of driving only to be eliminated. Just as the best light's reward comes as a finish line cushion. The worst red light should be grounds for elimination. I'd like to hear some more about all those advantages that the slower cars have other than costs. LOL Maybe the rules haven't changed in the past 45 years but a whole bunch of variables sure have been introduced in that time that these old rules do not take into account.

I can eat a snack going up the track,brush my teeth,and then set myself up for the grand finale at the stripe.
Seriously,I like being a turtle.I can always find a spot to hook up on and if I doo my job can make the right decision at the stripe.

Why is it whenever the " Worst Redlight Rule" is brought up, people only see the scenario such as an A/SA vs an M/SA? They forget it could be an M/SA vs a N/SA. Now the M is the faster car even though by most people's standards it's considered a "Slow car". Or how about AA/SA vs A/SA? The A car is now the "Slow car". When the dial-ins are only a few thousandths apart,regardless of class designation, where is your "clean tree"? When both cars go green, the best package is declared the winner.When both drivers go red, please tell me why the guy who red lighted the least shouldn't be rewarded with the victory since he did the best job of driving and the dial-ins are no longer a factor? I'm with you Bunkster and loved your comeback picture.

Want a clean tree? Build a Q and down car.Want the foul and chase advantage?Build a
AA car.In between?Work at being a better driver.Pretty simple.Don't blame outside influences for your shortcomings.

I guess the drivers complaining must red light alot.
Why dont you crying no racing donkeys get off the computer.
And you same donkeys want to get rid of HEADS UP RACING..
Do us all a favor and take up golf or TV couch potato racing..
Or be .200 in the tree AND YOU WONT GO RED!!
Eloquently said.
I think we should leave it the way it is! what make the diff? if im the first car to leave, and i go red i should have lost any way! just the way it is!!!!!!!if your all that worried about it better hit the practice tree and just not red light, sounds easer than looking for a excuses why you got beat!, and trust me im never the last to leave!

#1 answer of the thread.

I'm always the first to leave in superstock.
Worst red light would benifit me. But I built the car knowing what the rules were. I have no business crying to change them after the fact.

#2 best answer.

treessavoy · 10-28-2010, 05:06 PM

When I started racing in 1902 at Atco it was governed by NASCAR ( yes, kiddies, they once governed drag racing) they used what they called the "Leavers lose" system which was one yellow then green.

They also had a foul rule that was easy, "First is worst", the first foul was the worst and that driver was out no matter what the other driver did. Even if the second car hit the wall and totaled his car the first foul guy was out.

Simple, easy.

JimR

Chad Rhodes · 10-28-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

When I started racing in 1902 at Atco it was governed by NASCAR ( yes, kiddies, they once governed drag racing) they used what they called the "Leavers lose" system which was one yellow then green.

They also had a foul rule that was easy, "First is worst", the first foul was the worst and that driver was out no matter what the other driver did. Even if the second car hit the wall and totaled his car the first foul guy was out.

Simple, easy.

JimR

that part could make a lot of the import and outlaw 10.5 shows one round, or less. lol

Robert Simpson · 10-28-2010, 05:48 PM

This is the first time that I am trying to load some pictures.

I think this will NOW fit O-P-Q stock? Dad just got it finished for the street....Took him a long time, by himself. Oh well. It will go with the other on he built...

Ed Fernandez · 10-28-2010, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treessavoy

When I started racing in 1902 at Atco it was governed by NASCAR ( yes, kiddies, they once governed drag racing) they used what they called the "Leavers lose" system which was one yellow then green.

They also had a foul rule that was easy, "First is worst", the first foul was the worst and that driver was out no matter what the other driver did. Even if the second car hit the wall and totaled his car the first foul guy was out.

Simple, easy.

JimR

Jim,when you started in 1902 did you ever get to meet Henry Ford?:>):>):>)Did they have Firestone slicks then?

You're right about Nascar sanction at Atco.I have a weekly paper from Atco from about 1965 with the Nascar logo at the top of the page.

Ed Fernandez · 10-28-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Simpson

This is the first time that I am trying to load some pictures.

I think this will NOW fit O-P-Q stock? Dad just got it finished for the street....Took him a long time, by himself. Oh well. It will go with the other on he built...

Nice car Robert.But are those expando rims necessary ?

Robert Simpson · 10-28-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Nice car Robert.But re those expando rims necessary ?

No, just different...

Rick Leininger Jr. · 10-28-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Myron Piatek

Do I understand correctly that now "any" valve spring is permitted, including dual springs "provided no modification to head is performed."? But that removing the "step" on Mopar heads would be considered a "modification"?

IHRA usually follows NHRA.

Wow, here come the $3000 rockers.

10-28-2010, 01:46 PM	#71
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes James, what the hell does 'worst red light' have to do with getting rid of heads up runs? Diffenent issues. I think maybe you're the donkey or maybe just a horses ***. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

10-28-2010, 04:04 PM	#73
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes Now would be the perfect time to finally utilize the software that's already been written, so that the WORST red light is the loser. Ans;Get a life and a real name Well obviously if both cars leave at the same time, then the FIRST red light would be the WORST red light. I was referring to anywhere with a handicapped tree, most would realize that. The slower car has the advantage of the clean tree, the fast car has the advantage of the First red light. I don't see the problem with that, neither does most of the class racing, and bracket racing communities. I've very rarely left first.I knew going in that I have the first chance at going red.No big deal.The fairness is no distractions at the tree. True, there are equal advantages (now) with clean tree vs first red light, but conveniently ignoring the better advantage of having the race in front of you...the best advantage Correcto. Im with you 1000% on this. All of the fast guys conveniently "forget" the advantage of having the race in front of them all the way down the track. Hummmmm, maybe that's why the super class racers build big inch engines and run high MPH to keep their opponent out in front of them.....LOL Also correcto. If you built a slower car knowing about the first red light rule, well, you knew the rules, they haven't changed in around 45 years. I guess you'd build a house between an airport and a landfill, then complain about jet noise and the garbage smell. Great comeback. I have only met a few racers that honestly prefer being the slower car all the rest are just racers that say that because they can't afford to be the fastest car. We've had the Xmas tree since the early 60's but until the reaction timer was introduced the slower car didn't know he had done a better job of driving only to be eliminated. Just as the best light's reward comes as a finish line cushion. The worst red light should be grounds for elimination. I'd like to hear some more about all those advantages that the slower cars have other than costs. LOL Maybe the rules haven't changed in the past 45 years but a whole bunch of variables sure have been introduced in that time that these old rules do not take into account. I can eat a snack going up the track,brush my teeth,and then set myself up for the grand finale at the stripe. Seriously,I like being a turtle.I can always find a spot to hook up on and if I doo my job can make the right decision at the stripe. Why is it whenever the " Worst Redlight Rule" is brought up, people only see the scenario such as an A/SA vs an M/SA? They forget it could be an M/SA vs a N/SA. Now the M is the faster car even though by most people's standards it's considered a "Slow car". Or how about AA/SA vs A/SA? The A car is now the "Slow car". When the dial-ins are only a few thousandths apart,regardless of class designation, where is your "clean tree"? When both cars go green, the best package is declared the winner.When both drivers go red, please tell me why the guy who red lighted the least shouldn't be rewarded with the victory since he did the best job of driving and the dial-ins are no longer a factor? I'm with you Bunkster and loved your comeback picture. Want a clean tree? Build a Q and down car.Want the foul and chase advantage?Build a AA car.In between?Work at being a better driver.Pretty simple.Don't blame outside influences for your shortcomings. I guess the drivers complaining must red light alot. Why dont you crying no racing donkeys get off the computer. And you same donkeys want to get rid of HEADS UP RACING.. Do us all a favor and take up golf or TV couch potato racing.. Or be .200 in the tree AND YOU WONT GO RED!! Eloquently said. I think we should leave it the way it is! what make the diff? if im the first car to leave, and i go red i should have lost any way! just the way it is!!!!!!!if your all that worried about it better hit the practice tree and just not red light, sounds easer than looking for a excuses why you got beat!, and trust me im never the last to leave! #1 answer of the thread. I'm always the first to leave in superstock. Worst red light would benifit me. But I built the car knowing what the rules were. I have no business crying to change them after the fact. #2 best answer. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA Last edited by Ed Fernandez; 10-28-2010 at 04:10 PM.

10-28-2010, 05:06 PM	#74
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes When I started racing in 1902 at Atco it was governed by NASCAR ( yes, kiddies, they once governed drag racing) they used what they called the "Leavers lose" system which was one yellow then green. They also had a foul rule that was easy, "First is worst", the first foul was the worst and that driver was out no matter what the other driver did. Even if the second car hit the wall and totaled his car the first foul guy was out. Simple, easy. JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

10-28-2010, 05:48 PM	#76
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 808 Likes: 7 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: 2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes This is the first time that I am trying to load some pictures. I think this will NOW fit O-P-Q stock? Dad just got it finished for the street....Took him a long time, by himself. Oh well. It will go with the other on he built... Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Robert Simpson; 10-28-2010 at 05:58 PM. Reason: Add picture.