Consolidating Classes

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Heck Gary, wait until your 67!

Ed, congrats for your making it to 67!!! I hope I can make it to 67...heck into my 70's would be awesome...but it's not all up to me for that? I'll say this though, the time I waste changing those street towing tires that I have on my front end during my travels, to the slicks, will be eliminated...thus being race ready once the car is off of the trailer!

I had the ideal given to me to adjust the angle of my trailer during loading and unloading, so I could tow my car as such, but those small slicks didn't hold air like the bigger ones you rwd racers use (even with tubes in them???), so that was a "one and done" effort for me!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by art leong

Mike I think the Honda guys use a 4x100mm bolt pattern Try there websites.
You will have to steam the rice off them though. LOL

Now Art, that's more than LOL funny, that's ROLOL..(ROLLING OVER)!!!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by art leong

If the 14" tires are not available anymore It will slow me down a bunch It will be like switching from a 3.73 gear to a 3.0 gear. I guess I'll have to go over on the crybaby side and beg for a softer index.
Nah!!!! only fooling LOL I'll never go over. LOL


I know there are circle track tires that are 20" tall but don't know how they'll hook.

I'm with you Art on the tire size thing, and I was hoping that I could prove it the same on my car by checking out how my car ran at the Div. 5 ET Finals in Topeka this year...driving around the water, auto shifting, and not stahling my convertor. My best run was .23 over the index for DF/S, which I would've accepted if not for one other comparo...I went back to the same race (2006), where I had my did the burnouts, manual shifted my tranny, and stahled my convertor to 3600rpm.'s. I couldn't believe it, but I ran the exact same best e.t. of 15.53! So now that we have to deal without our beloved 14" wheeled slicks, I'm going to have to replace that lost momentum somewhere else...like a cam change and/or a set of headers!!! Speaking of the latter, Does anyone here know if someone is still in posession of a set of the headers that Hooker used to make for the 60 degree Chevy V6? Randy Hyman seemingly is the only person (other than me) that's running that engine, and his (formerly Linda Sherman D-1) Citation is the only one I know of that has those (now defunct) headers on it? Otherwise, I'll have to scrap my pennies together to have a customized set built...the only offer I've heard of so far was $1,000 for a set (for a six-cylinder engine when V8 regular headers can be had in a Jegs or Summit catalog for less than half of that), seems a bit much...too much for me anytime soon!!!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'm with you Art on the tire size thing, and I was hoping that I could prove it the same on my car by checking out how my car ran at the Div. 5 ET Finals in Topeka this year...driving around the water, auto shifting, and not stahling my convertor. My best run was .23 over the index for DF/S, which I would've accepted if not for one other comparo...I went back to the same race (2006), where I had my did the burnouts, manual shifted my tranny, and stahled my convertor to 3600rpm.'s. I couldn't believe it, but I ran the exact same best e.t. of 15.53! So now that we have to deal without our beloved 14" wheeled slicks, I'm going to have to replace that lost momentum somewhere else...like a cam change and/or a set of headers!!! Speaking of the latter, Does anyone here know if someone is still in posession of a set of the headers that Hooker used to make for the 60 degree Chevy V6? Randy Hyman seemingly is the only person (other than me) that's running that engine, and his (formerly Linda Sherman D-1) Citation is the only one I know of that has those (now defunct) headers on it? Otherwise, I'll have to scrap my pennies together to have a customized set built...the only offer I've heard of so far was $1,000 for a set (for a six-cylinder engine when V8 regular headers can be had in a Jegs or Summit catalog for less than half of that), seems a bit much...too much for me anytime soon!!!

Gary, You used to be able to buy S -10 header pieces from Hooker and maybe others.
That's what I used for the Citation. Write or call me. I CAN be bought... You know , you're looking at 4 tenths, right now !

[Owen S Quirion]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

No you were right on buying the last pair of 20x8"x14" slicks...the pair I bought were part of the last three 20x6x14's that they had. Thank GOD I kept my factory mags, because my Cragar's are too wide for those skinny things, and when my 1yr old 8" slicks wear out, that's when I'm going to have to use the DOT slicks, or else buy some smaller/larger wheels that'll allow me to use those other tires that Dennis spoke of. However, after the races I attended in Sept. where I didn't do burnouts for a change, I think I may be alright with those taller tires in the future...heck if Mustangs can run 8-9sec quarters with them, my 15sec ride should be able to hook good with 'em given that they're a taller tire than those slicks are???

Gary, Not to worry. I will be testing my transaxle with a 4:47 ratio next year and if it stays together I will be able to provide you with a set for around $800. It will include both sprockets, uses the stock length chain, and you will need the 3.33 factory diff. You will need to turn down the outside diameter of the drive sprocket retainer about an eighth of an inch and do a little grinding inside the chaincase for the driven sprocket clearance but that's about it. After the install, you will be able to use a 23-24 inch tall tire and still have more gear than you run now.

[Michael Beard]

I actually found a pretty light set of 4x100 15x5 wheels from Enkei, but am checking with Holeshot on weight, price, etc, too.

Re: headers... There was actually a bit of stuff made for the 2.2's, as they were popular SCCA cars. I've got a Hooker Super Comp header on the Turismo.

Re: gear ratios, I didn't think you could cut the case. "Any gear ratio that fits third member case or housing permitted"

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Owen S Quirion

Gary, Not to worry. I will be testing my transaxle with a 4:47 ratio next year and if it stays together I will be able to provide you with a set for around $800. It will include both sprockets, uses the stock length chain, and you will need the 3.33 factory diff. You will need to turn down the outside diameter of the drive sprocket retainer about an eighth of an inch and do a little grinding inside the chaincase for the driven sprocket clearance but that's about it. After the install, you will be able to use a 23-24 inch tall tire and still have more gear than you run now.

Owen, I'm running a 3.73 (4cyl J car) planetary in my car now...it's been so long since I changed it over from the factory 2.7-2.9 6cyl factory planetary the car came oem with...would my current gearing be too much? As for that set you have, I'll keep that in mind, but I'll also have what Mark spoke of in mind too (especially if it's cheaper)? Right now I'm dealing with some other looming possibilities for 2011, and my funds are focused on that. Furthermore, my car and I are over 900 miles apart, and it's getting snowed on...however I'd prefer that to being outside in the summer-time temps and wind/dust storms we had the previous 2mths.! Thank you, and you too Mark, for some options that will get me those highly appreciated 4tenths I will greatly appreciate the next time I race at a humid track like Topeka!!!

[Owen S Quirion]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Owen, I'm running a 3.73 (4cyl J car) planetary in my car now...it's been so long since I changed it over from the factory 2.7-2.9 6cyl factory planetary the car came oem with...would my current gearing be too much? As for that set you have, I'll keep that in mind, but I'll also have what Mark spoke of in mind too (especially if it's cheaper)? Right now I'm dealing with some other looming possibilities for 2011, and my funds are focused on that. Furthermore, my car and I are over 900 miles apart, and it's getting snowed on...however I'd prefer that to being outside in the summer-time temps and wind/dust storms we had the previous 2mths.! Thank you, and you too Mark, for some options that will get me those highly appreciated 4tenths I will greatly appreciate the next time I race at a humid track like Topeka!!!

Gary, The 3.73 ratio in your transaxle is accomplished using a 3.33 planetary final drive differential unit and a set of 33/37 drive chain sprockets. Both combine for an effective ratio of 3.73, the best ratio available using factory parts. So you will be fine with that diff. I currently have a set of 33/41 sprockets for a ratio of 4.14 and will be moving to a 29/41 set next year for the 4.47's. That is the limit of the available room inside for the 41 tooth driven sprocket. Like I said, next year I will be testing to make sure that the input shaft of the transaxle can handle the increased torque input before I sell anyone a set.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Owen S Quirion

Gary, The 3.73 ratio in your transaxle is accomplished using a 3.33 planetary final drive differential unit and a set of 33/37 drive chain sprockets. Both combine for an effective ratio of 3.73, the best ratio available using factory parts. So you will be fine with that diff. I currently have a set of 33/41 sprockets for a ratio of 4.14 and will be moving to a 29/41 set next year for the 4.47's. That is the limit of the available room inside for the 41 tooth driven sprocket. Like I said, next year I will be testing to make sure that the input shaft of the transaxle can handle the increased torque input before I sell anyone a set.

Good Luck with that Owen, and keep me posted please. Since we don't have the aftermarket support that the rwd's have, anything someone like you (and Mark, etc.) with more mechanical savy than I have (which probably is a bunch), will be greatly appreciated! Sometimes I wonder why I'm racing a car in the fuel injection era, when my level of mechanical knowledge/training was circa 1979.

It sure was easier to take 2sec.'s off of my '76 Vega that I raced 31yrs ago, than it was this car. I had a chance to buy it back, but since my original engine & tranny were swapped out for a Pontiac motor & a 4spd, I would've had to hunt for the originals and I felt that in the early 90's that would've been tuff to do hence this car. However, I still like the challenge out there to try and do something no-one has done this century, or since Mark Yaccavone's national event win, and the guy who won the one and only fwd stocker divisional race as well, which is why I'm glad I have this car. Furthermore, unless Billy Nees did it when he raced a fwd car (or Art, Mark, Linda, or Steve), I'm not sure if any fwd stockers ever finished in a divisional (much less national) Top Ten in Stock Eliminator points standings? Those quests are still out there waiting for those of us who take the road less traveled with regards to our racing vehicles, and I'm game for the challenge (the primary reason I chose this car)!!!

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Good Luck with that Owen, and keep me posted please. Since we don't have the aftermarket support that the rwd's have, anything someone like you (and Mark, etc.) with more mechanical savy than I have (which probably is a bunch), will be greatly appreciated! Sometimes I wonder why I'm racing a car in the fuel injection era, when my level of mechanical knowledge/training was circa 1979.

It sure was easier to take 2sec.'s off of my '76 Vega that I raced 31yrs ago, than it was this car. I had a chance to buy it back, but since my original engine & tranny were swapped out for a Pontiac motor & a 4spd, I would've had to hunt for the originals and I felt that in the early 90's that would've been tuff to do hence this car. However, I still like the challenge out there to try and do something no-one has done this century, or since Mark Yaccavone's national event win, and the guy who won the one and only fwd stocker divisional race as well, which is why I'm glad I have this car. Furthermore, unless Billy Nees did it when he raced a fwd car (or Art, Mark, Linda, or Steve), I'm not sure if any fwd stockers ever finished in a divisional (much less national) Top Ten in Stock Eliminator points standings? Those quests are still out there waiting for those of us who take the road less traveled with regards to our racing vehicles, and I'm game for the challenge (the primary reason I chose this car)!!!

Gary
Bill O'conner won div 7 points race in the 90s and I thing Michael Beard finish top 10 div 1 about 10 years ago.