Lack of integrity

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Everybody can voice their own opinion!

These new cars affect every class from AA to J - stick and automatic. Making fun of folks who have worked hard on their combinations isn't funny; especially from a racer who is immune to the new cars. And that is my opinion.

I have raced stock eliminator cars since the mid 70's. Back then I was envious of the numerous mid class stockers that could buy a new Firebird, GTO, Ventura, Olds or Buick station wagon, Etc. Never even change a spark plug on it and go set records.
While we worked hard to get our car to work. We could have gone out and bought one of them, but we couldn't afford it.
But the big difference if I complained noboby would hear me. So we worked hard and persevered.
The one difference is those cars were able to be registered. The reason the cars of today are not is the C.A.F.E. regs and liability. Otherwise the factory could slap a vin number on them.
I wouldn't beat the vin number drum to loud because there are numerous cars out there that the vin will not match the class the car runs in.

[Bruce Noland]

Art,
When it comes to corporate philosophy. The whole world has moved on from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's - except for nhra. It is still trying to run this tired old game with the rules and the OEM's, but it won't work in the 2010's. People and technology have become too sophisticated to allow these tactics to continue. People have grown weary because of these money grubbing games. Things will change.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by art leong

The one difference is those cars were able to be registered. The reason the cars of today are not is the C.A.F.E. regs and liability. Otherwise the factory could slap a vin number on them.

Art, that loophole is big enough to drive a Pro Mod through. Seriously, with that one loophole, an OEM has damned near free reign to do practically anything they want to. It's a loophole that Stock and Super Stock cannot afford to have open. Not in today's world of corporate America. We've already had a taste.

Right now, there's very little stopping the OEM's from having their way. When you have "write your own specs, write your own HP rating, and it doesn't have to meet any production standard, so long as you also write a check", you have an avenue for the OEM's to get absolute pure race cars and race engines in the guide that no one ever even dreamed of, all the way back to the days of real showroom muscle cars.

No, this is not a return to the "good old days" of the "factory muscle car", this is a trip to the new era of corporate America, where anything goes. It's not something that class racing can afford, and maybe not something class racing can survive.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

You got that right Arnie.

Ford and Mopar learned how to do it from the BEST.

GM formerly known as Generous Motors, former benifactor of the NHRA wrote the book on it.

Yeah, right Alex.

Thing is, nothing GM did in the past compares to what has happened since Ford and Chrysler got NHRA to rewrite the founding principle rules for Stock and Super Stock. The new "no VIN, and no production standard" rule is far beyond anything in the history of Stock and Super Stock, Alex.

We now have cars that were never sold for street use, and engines that were never certified or sold in a production car in Stock and Super Stock. You can talk about LT-1 engines in 98 F body cars all you want, that minor shuffle involved certified cars and certified bodies, and there was no performance advantage. Had that not been done, there simply wouldn't have been any new 98 F body cars in Stock that year. And the 98 F body with an LT-1 is no faster than a 97 F body with an LT-1. You have a straw man argument, Alex, and it ain't holding up to close examination.

[Arnold Greene]

Nicely explained, Alan. There are three nouns that describe nhra, ford, and chrysler.....whores, liars, and thieves. Take your pick of one or all.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Art,
When it comes to corporate philosophy. The whole world has moved on from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's - except for nhra. It is still trying to run this tired old game with the rules and the OEM's, but it won't work in the 2010's. People and technology have become too sophisticated to allow these tactics to continue. People have grown weary because of these money grubbing games. Things will change.

It sounds like todays politics dosent it !!!!!!!!!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Arnold Greene

Nicely explained, Alan. There are three nouns that describe nhra, ford, and chrysler.....whores, liars, and thieves. Take your pick of one or all.

LOL....That hit the nail on the head !

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Arnold Greene

Nicely explained, Alan. There are three nouns that describe nhra, ford, and chrysler.....whores, liars, and thieves. Take your pick of one or all.

You got that right Arnie.

Ford and Mopar learned how to do it from the BEST.

GM formerly known as Generous Motors, former benifactor of the NHRA wrote the book on it.

[Bruce Noland]

I have no first hand knowledge about how prostitution works, but in the movies the prostitute sets the terms. Then the Johns get to play. Maybe during these lean times the Johns get to name their price.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

It sounds like todays politics dosent it !!!!!!!!!

Yes Terry it does.
Level the playing field=========Distribute the wealth
Sounds like a 2 headed coin to me.