Stock Suggestion # 1

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Yall fix it.

If we could put yall in your own classes, we would. You have FX cars. That's where they belong. It's the only easy and fair solution. Btw, when we bought our old 396/375, it would run .50 under. 5 years and a ton of work and money later, we are close to 1.00, but we can't touch any new car even with NOS. See the problem here? I dont want to play the sandbag game you want to force on us. Id rather see who can make their fairly rated combo go faster. I only 34, and what I love about stock is the old muscle cars. It's like going to a car show where they put them on the back bumper. New cars have put such a bad taste in my mouth, I chose to support Toyota and Nissan for my family cars. People outside of racing ask me all the time about what car they should get. I guess because I'm a car guy. I haven't steared them towards the big 3 in 5 years. It's my own little protest. I'd say that's counterproductive to the factories trying to sell cars.

[Jeff Teuton]

Since you seem to have a total handle on it, you fix it. Here are a couple of facts for you to work with. The new cars are not going away. NHRA has no interest on what is posted here. Some sort of representative thought process from a person or committee might get a look. Just my vain attempt to help as I have done since the 90's. And as I finally found out after several years of the SRA days, everyone is only interested in their own combo and has no interest in the majority of racers. So, you fix it. Tech@NHRA.com is where your plans should go. I'm sure they will welcome it with open arms.

[Hagen Gary]

I know you have help fix a bunch of stuff that wasn't completely right. I'm pretty sure everyone does. Doesn't mean that you are not way off base here. But you not wanting to do anything that messes with your car is clear proof that what you said is true. You don't even want to go in your own class knowing you have a clear advantage over everyone in your current class. You would rather all of us change everything in stock that has been here forever. It's weird

[Peter Ash]

I guess there are still at least 21 folks that actually give a s#$t!

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=44794

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Since you seem to have a total handle on it, you fix it. Here are a couple of facts for you to work with. The new cars are not going away. NHRA has no interest on what is posted here. Some sort of representative thought process from a person or committee might get a look. Just my vain attempt to help as I have done since the 90's. And as I finally found out after several years of the SRA days, everyone is only interested in their own combo and has no interest in the majority of racers. So, you fix it. Tech@NHRA.com is where your plans should go. I'm sure they will welcome it with open arms.

Since you've been involved in helping improve stock since the 90's, did you have your opinion taken into consideration when the LT1 hit and you were driving your old iron? Were you wanting them in their own class back then? What's so different now other than the script is flipped and now you have the completely unfair advantage?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Yall fix it.

Already have.
Of course I haven't seen one response or comment..Pro or con.

I've seen complex formulas..

I've seen massive changes to the class structure.

Makes you wonder what the heck is the real motivation is here for some folks..

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I agree with you there, having seen how NHRA operates for some time now.

Now, what could be simpler than adding a couple of vinyl X's in front of the FX cars' class designation?

No heads up between non -X and X cars ,ever.

X cars run their own Combo class.

FS special shootouts subject to AHFS regs.

Jeez, I'm beginning to sound like Bill Dedman here.

But, what's the problem with this ?
Only thing I see is FX cars don't get to beat up on older, well thrashed muscle car combinations for the factories' benefit.

Maybe that IS the problem with this simple solution.

[Jeff Teuton]

Well now that you mention that, I am thinking about buying it back. The combo has new aluminum heads and 10 less hp. My mistake, it is down 15 HP and the new aluminum heads are plus 5 which is a bargain. 135 lbs less than when I raced it. Wow, that is down to what my DP weighs in SS, and that old 440-6 made more power and a lot more torque. Watch for coming attractions.

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Since you've been involved in helping improve stock since the 90's, did you have your opinion taken into consideration when the LT1 hit and you were driving your old iron? Were you wanting them in their own class back then? What's so different now other than the script is flipped and now you have the completely unfair advantage?

Booooooooom goes the dynamite!

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Well now that you mention that, I am thinking about buying it back. The combo has new aluminum heads and 10 less hp. My mistake, it is down 15 HP and the new aluminum heads are plus 5 which is a bargain. 135 lbs less than when I raced it. Wow, that is down to what my DP weighs in SS, and that old 440-6 made more power and a lot more torque. Watch for coming attractions.

You should bring it back. I know the people I bring to the races would much rather watch it run than some car they see on the road 50 times every day. Problem being, even if you gave it back HP and it landed in the class your current car is in, it would still get destroyed heads up.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

You should bring it back. I know the people I bring to the races would much rather watch it run than some car they see on the road 50 times every day. Problem being, even if you gave it back HP and it landed in the class your current car is in, it would still get destroyed heads up.

Not sure but I dont beleive that it was ever stated that new cars weren't faster than any old car. I believe that the case but if you get the older cars to where they can push the new cars to take hits wont it even up the field? Why is such a sin to have the new cars in stock? Lets see its 2014 why would anyone not want to see todays latest and greatest in what was started for present day drag racing? It has to be a mixed field for it keep the sport going. But hey I'm only 33yrs old and love to see new muscle cars put them on the back bumper and still run 150mph!