Horsepowers - Page 9

bill dedman · 01-02-2016, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

How many people work on this subject at the NHRA Technical Department? Could it be that there is not enough people to handle reviewing the inequities in horsepower factors?

I think you're probably right. Just another example of the gross mis-management that is NHRA, today.

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 08:22 AM

Can anyone explain or define our so- called mineshaft conditions and the rules for it to come into play.

Larry Hill · 01-02-2016, 09:48 AM

with or without F/X cars?

Rsmith38 · 01-02-2016, 10:00 AM

In my experience - NHRA has never replied to receiving or granting Horsepower requests. The first year I requested reduction I waited for the Dec. list and - Nothing? No indication! When I called to check they said it must have been lost? Resubmit for next year. I did and in July again - Nothing. After calling again I received a call from Wesley - and he said they screwed up. He said they would look into it and 2 hours later returned my call and discussed my combination and gave me 15 HP off.
He was very helpful but I understand he no longer has that position?

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 11:46 AM

Larry. Basing it on a normal division race and a standard national event.
If your question was replied to my question?

partsbob67 · 01-02-2016, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsmith38

In my experience - NHRA has never replied to receiving or granting Horsepower requests. The first year I requested reduction I waited for the Dec. list and - Nothing? No indication! When I called to check they said it must have been lost? Resubmit for next year. I did and in July again - Nothing. After calling again I received a call from Wesley - and he said they screwed up. He said they would look into it and 2 hours later returned my call and discussed my combination and gave me 15 HP off.
He was very helpful but I understand he no longer has that position?

i sent a request in this year by email and Pat sent me a confirmation email that they received it.

PJ305 · 01-02-2016, 12:28 PM

Jim, the simple answer is

Must have at least 32 car field

Split the field in two (example 32 divided by 2 equals 16) 17th qualifier has to be .85 under

First car in the second half has to be .85 under after final qualifying run

Hope this helps

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 12:42 PM

Ya I get that part thanks.
Guess my point is here you could take those 17 cars for example that have run .750 under at there best forever!!! Those 17 cars go into day 2 of qualifying with Mother Nature cooperating at her best an suddenly they all run .850 at there best they ever have. And the bottom line is they get penalized right?

Or in NHRAs eyes they all should have dumped at a 1000'. THE RULE NEEDS TO BE TOSSED OUT PERIOD!!!

PJ305 · 01-02-2016, 01:09 PM

Jim,

If the weather conditions improve and still qualifying the .85 under hurts nobody unless you go 1.20 under for instant hit.

The real problem is most racers play the ladder game, therefore the system is flawed.

The big problem occurs when the conditions improve after final qualifying and you have a very fast car and trigger your combination ( you know the famous saying I didn't think I would go that fast)

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 01:17 PM

Correct. Sorry I didn't clarify that right. I was meaning running faster than the .850 under factor.

01-02-2016, 08:22 AM	#82
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Can anyone explain or define our so- called mineshaft conditions and the rules for it to come into play.

01-02-2016, 09:48 AM	#83
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01-02-2016, 10:00 AM	#84
Rsmith38 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 186 Likes: 0 Liked 28 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Horsepowers In my experience - NHRA has never replied to receiving or granting Horsepower requests. The first year I requested reduction I waited for the Dec. list and - Nothing? No indication! When I called to check they said it must have been lost? Resubmit for next year. I did and in July again - Nothing. After calling again I received a call from Wesley - and he said they screwed up. He said they would look into it and 2 hours later returned my call and discussed my combination and gave me 15 HP off. He was very helpful but I understand he no longer has that position?

01-02-2016, 11:46 AM	#85
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Larry. Basing it on a normal division race and a standard national event. If your question was replied to my question?

01-02-2016, 12:28 PM	#87
PJ305 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Jim, the simple answer is Must have at least 32 car field Split the field in two (example 32 divided by 2 equals 16) 17th qualifier has to be .85 under First car in the second half has to be .85 under after final qualifying run Hope this helps

01-02-2016, 12:42 PM	#88
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Ya I get that part thanks. Guess my point is here you could take those 17 cars for example that have run .750 under at there best forever!!! Those 17 cars go into day 2 of qualifying with Mother Nature cooperating at her best an suddenly they all run .850 at there best they ever have. And the bottom line is they get penalized right? Or in NHRAs eyes they all should have dumped at a 1000'. THE RULE NEEDS TO BE TOSSED OUT PERIOD!!!

01-02-2016, 01:09 PM	#89
PJ305 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Jim, If the weather conditions improve and still qualifying the .85 under hurts nobody unless you go 1.20 under for instant hit. The real problem is most racers play the ladder game, therefore the system is flawed. The big problem occurs when the conditions improve after final qualifying and you have a very fast car and trigger your combination ( you know the famous saying I didn't think I would go that fast)

01-02-2016, 01:17 PM	#90
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Correct. Sorry I didn't clarify that right. I was meaning running faster than the .850 under factor.