Belle Rose S & SS combo

John Mason · 04-06-2008, 12:37 PM

I'm missing something in the rules for the CIC race. According to DRC, Cummings had the worse package 3 times (including the last 2 rounds) and yet won. How?

icebrrrg · 04-06-2008, 12:46 PM

DRC didn't update CIC impacts from round to round.

Larry Sullivan · 04-06-2008, 02:10 PM

Since we get the index from the timing system, I'm not sure how the CICs were being applied.

Bryan Worner · 04-06-2008, 03:45 PM

It appears that they used 1 second under as the cic hit! If, for example, a driver went 1.35 under his 12.05 index in the first round, and won, his second round index was 11.70!!

That had to be a fun race! I really loved seeing a Comp driver get spanked by a certain Super Stock standout! When a 7 under pass beats a better than 1 second under pass.......OUCH!!

They should have more of these! Maybe Dave Ley was paying attention. I could see a Saturday night index race at his next combo!!

I would have loved a seat at the finish line!

JRyan · 04-06-2008, 05:21 PM

Bryan,

If that's the case, why does Buckner continue running on a 12.00 Index after running 1.26 under the first round, and then way under again later? Whatever the set-up was, it certainly doesn't appear to be consistent.

Jerry

Bryan Worner · 04-06-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JRyan

Bryan,

If that's the case, why does Buckner continue running on a 12.00 Index after running 1.26 under the first round, and then way under again later? Whatever the set-up was, it certainly doesn't appear to be consistent.

Jerry

Do the numbers. He only went .98 under in the final. His index was not corrected after he went 1.2something under in a previous round.

John Mason · 04-06-2008, 06:52 PM

Bryan,
DRC shows his dial (not his index) as 12.00 in the final. He went 10.776 which is shown as -1.224 under, with a .010 light. That's a .157 better package.
What part of the math is wrong?

JRyan · 04-06-2008, 07:49 PM

Bryan,

I'm aware of the "numbers". My point is that the methodology for listing the INDEX (dial) on a particular car/driver wasn't very consistent. In some cases, they changed the Index, and in others they didn't. It was rather obvious that guys were winning against much better packages, so adjustments were being made somewhere. Moot point now. Congrats to Slate for his excellent driving.

Jerry

Pat Joffrion · 04-07-2008, 08:31 AM

Guys, the DRC input had to be submitted manually for a download. I haven't seen their thread, but I can tell you that the "dial-in" for the 1st round was a driver's index. I personally wrote their dial-in using their respective class index.

Some used a ton of index to win rounds, while others ran less than 1.00 under to save their index. I used each round's run sheet from the tower to make the following round dial-in changes.

The race was a big hit with the drivers and we will definitely do this again next year, and may do it as an all-run instead of class winners only.

Pat

chlngr73 · 04-07-2008, 09:02 AM

I can say first hand that Pat put on a heck of a race. He worked his tail off to make sure everyone's dial-ins were right, and made a ladder for us to run on. This is hands down the best race of the season, and Pat is definitely the best track owner in the country. Thanks again Pat and the crew for everything. Now if I can just get that 1-2 shift down maybe I can WIN it next year....I heard they run faster that way!! Haha see y'all next year...

David Buckner
E/SA 4772

04-06-2008, 12:37 PM	#1
John Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Belle Rose S & SS combo I'm missing something in the rules for the CIC race. According to DRC, Cummings had the worse package 3 times (including the last 2 rounds) and yet won. How? __________________ John Mason 7743 SS

04-06-2008, 12:46 PM	#2
icebrrrg Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 90 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo DRC didn't update CIC impacts from round to round.

04-06-2008, 02:10 PM	#3
Larry Sullivan Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 340 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo Since we get the index from the timing system, I'm not sure how the CICs were being applied.

04-06-2008, 03:45 PM	#4
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 819 Likes: 131 Liked 478 Times in 80 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo It appears that they used 1 second under as the cic hit! If, for example, a driver went 1.35 under his 12.05 index in the first round, and won, his second round index was 11.70!! That had to be a fun race! I really loved seeing a Comp driver get spanked by a certain Super Stock standout! When a 7 under pass beats a better than 1 second under pass.......OUCH!! They should have more of these! Maybe Dave Ley was paying attention. I could see a Saturday night index race at his next combo!! I would have loved a seat at the finish line!

04-06-2008, 05:21 PM	#5
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo Bryan, If that's the case, why does Buckner continue running on a 12.00 Index after running 1.26 under the first round, and then way under again later? Whatever the set-up was, it certainly doesn't appear to be consistent. Jerry

04-06-2008, 06:52 PM	#7
John Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo Bryan, DRC shows his dial (not his index) as 12.00 in the final. He went 10.776 which is shown as -1.224 under, with a .010 light. That's a .157 better package. What part of the math is wrong? __________________ John Mason 7743 SS

04-06-2008, 07:49 PM	#8
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo Bryan, I'm aware of the "numbers". My point is that the methodology for listing the INDEX (dial) on a particular car/driver wasn't very consistent. In some cases, they changed the Index, and in others they didn't. It was rather obvious that guys were winning against much better packages, so adjustments were being made somewhere. Moot point now. Congrats to Slate for his excellent driving. Jerry

04-07-2008, 08:31 AM	#9
Pat Joffrion Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bayou Country, Louisiana Posts: 163 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo Guys, the DRC input had to be submitted manually for a download. I haven't seen their thread, but I can tell you that the "dial-in" for the 1st round was a driver's index. I personally wrote their dial-in using their respective class index. Some used a ton of index to win rounds, while others ran less than 1.00 under to save their index. I used each round's run sheet from the tower to make the following round dial-in changes. The race was a big hit with the drivers and we will definitely do this again next year, and may do it as an all-run instead of class winners only. Pat

04-07-2008, 09:02 AM	#10
chlngr73 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 131 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Belle Rose S & SS combo I can say first hand that Pat put on a heck of a race. He worked his tail off to make sure everyone's dial-ins were right, and made a ladder for us to run on. This is hands down the best race of the season, and Pat is definitely the best track owner in the country. Thanks again Pat and the crew for everything. Now if I can just get that 1-2 shift down maybe I can WIN it next year....I heard they run faster that way!! Haha see y'all next year... David Buckner E/SA 4772