Super Stock Race Fuel

Jeff Goss · 05-14-2007, 09:48 PM

I have a race gas question.

I have always run VP C-12. Now, my local distributor only carries Sunoco. I can still get VP, but have to drive a bit farther to get it.

Will the 110 octane Sunoco work as well as the VP?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks.

Jeff Goss
6990 SS/MA

Class guy · 05-14-2007, 10:17 PM

Better.

Don Whitmore · 05-14-2007, 10:48 PM

Jeff,

Check the 'reid vapor pressure' differences between the fuels if possible, especially with a low compression motor. Reid vapor pressure (RVP) is the ability of the fuel to vaporize. VP publishes their RVP but not sure about Sunoco.

Octane is a 'burn retardent' with basically no impact on fuel energy content (btu/lb); it ust affects how it burns.

Jeff Goss · 05-14-2007, 11:00 PM

Don,

Thanks for the reply.

I found a website that lists the RVP for the different race fuels.

http://www.smithtex.com/racing/fuelcomp.html

It shows Sunoco Supreme with 8.0.

VP C-12 is 7.75.

I need to read up a little more, but Sunoco should be in the ballpark or a little better? The higher RVP should make it vaporize quicker?

Motor is a 327-250 horse with the 4GC Carb. Small valves and 10.25:1 compression.

Jeff

Adger Smith · 05-15-2007, 12:39 AM

Jeff,
When Steven made up that list he also included a list of Terms we use with fuel. It give you some info about what all the terms in the chart are.
Go back and take a look at it.

Adger Smith

05-15-2007, 02:21 AM

The problem you can run into is inadvertantly mixing the VP fuel in with your Sunoco fuel as NHRA uses VP as the "official" fuel and Sunoco wont be sold at an NHRA event. Even straight Sunoco seems to be a problem with NHRA tech at times.
I would rather use Sunoco as it's roughly 30% cheaper than VP. Personally, in my application, I can't tell any difference between the two brands; other than in the wallet.

NHRA #7494 SS/H
1970 AMC AMX
"Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals
JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net
602-418-9797

Jeff Goss · 05-15-2007, 08:39 AM

Thanks a bunch for the good info!

Jeff

greg fulk · 05-15-2007, 01:25 PM

Jeff i've always run sunoco 110....my buddy Mike Galuk had his car @ my house having some work done to it (changing oil plugs) well while we were messing around with it we ran it out of fuel...C12.....all i had was sunoco....so we put that in the car & went and got him a jug of it. he left & went to Byron for a div. race.....it was the quickest he had ever run. (& this ws in the middle of summer)

novamoation

Mike Galuk · 05-15-2007, 02:46 PM

Jeff, please EMail me your phone number and a good time to reach you. I live in W.V. so there is a time difference. Mike. LGaluk@aol.com

Mike Galuk
JOE COOL RACING
Stock-2080

Don Whitmore · 05-15-2007, 11:13 PM

Jeff (Goss):

Reid vapor pressure numbers are as follows...

...the lower the RVP number is numerically, the less volatile (i.e., harder to vaporize) the gasoline is.

Using your info, the C-12 is slightly less volatile than the Sunoco, however I would consider both fuels fairly close in range.

I would also compare the density of the fuels to determine impact on your carb settings.

And as Jeff Lee pointed out, I wouldn't mix them, unless you like hanging out at fuel check and answering lots of questions...

05-14-2007, 09:48 PM	#1
Jeff Goss Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Burlington, WA Posts: 361 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Super Stock Race Fuel I have a race gas question. I have always run VP C-12. Now, my local distributor only carries Sunoco. I can still get VP, but have to drive a bit farther to get it. Will the 110 octane Sunoco work as well as the VP? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Jeff Goss 6990 SS/MA

05-15-2007, 12:39 AM	#5
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Jeff, When Steven made up that list he also included a list of Terms we use with fuel. It give you some info about what all the terms in the chart are. Go back and take a look at it. Adger Smith __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

05-15-2007, 01:25 PM	#8
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Jeff i've always run sunoco 110....my buddy Mike Galuk had his car @ my house having some work done to it (changing oil plugs) well while we were messing around with it we ran it out of fuel...C12.....all i had was sunoco....so we put that in the car & went and got him a jug of it. he left & went to Byron for a div. race.....it was the quickest he had ever run. (& this ws in the middle of summer) novamoation __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

05-14-2007, 10:17 PM	#2
Class guy Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Better.

05-14-2007, 10:48 PM	#3
Don Whitmore Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jeff, Check the 'reid vapor pressure' differences between the fuels if possible, especially with a low compression motor. Reid vapor pressure (RVP) is the ability of the fuel to vaporize. VP publishes their RVP but not sure about Sunoco. Octane is a 'burn retardent' with basically no impact on fuel energy content (btu/lb); it ust affects how it burns.

05-14-2007, 11:00 PM	#4
Jeff Goss Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Burlington, WA Posts: 361 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don, Thanks for the reply. I found a website that lists the RVP for the different race fuels. http://www.smithtex.com/racing/fuelcomp.html It shows Sunoco Supreme with 8.0. VP C-12 is 7.75. I need to read up a little more, but Sunoco should be in the ballpark or a little better? The higher RVP should make it vaporize quicker? Motor is a 327-250 horse with the 4GC Carb. Small valves and 10.25:1 compression. Jeff

05-15-2007, 02:21 AM	#6
Jeff Lee Guest Posts: n/a	The problem you can run into is inadvertantly mixing the VP fuel in with your Sunoco fuel as NHRA uses VP as the "official" fuel and Sunoco wont be sold at an NHRA event. Even straight Sunoco seems to be a problem with NHRA tech at times. I would rather use Sunoco as it's roughly 30% cheaper than VP. Personally, in my application, I can't tell any difference between the two brands; other than in the wallet. NHRA #7494 SS/H 1970 AMC AMX "Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net 602-418-9797

05-15-2007, 08:39 AM	#7
Jeff Goss Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Burlington, WA Posts: 361 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks a bunch for the good info! Jeff

05-15-2007, 02:46 PM	#9
Mike Galuk Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 328 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jeff, please EMail me your phone number and a good time to reach you. I live in W.V. so there is a time difference. Mike. LGaluk@aol.com Mike Galuk JOE COOL RACING Stock-2080

05-15-2007, 11:13 PM	#10
Don Whitmore Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jeff (Goss): Reid vapor pressure numbers are as follows... ...the lower the RVP number is numerically, the less volatile (i.e., harder to vaporize) the gasoline is. Using your info, the C-12 is slightly less volatile than the Sunoco, however I would consider both fuels fairly close in range. I would also compare the density of the fuels to determine impact on your carb settings. And as Jeff Lee pointed out, I wouldn't mix them, unless you like hanging out at fuel check and answering lots of questions...