Nevada Travel Permit Warning On NHRA

[63corvette]

I just went to NHRA's web site and found a warning on Nevada travel with permits required for certain travelers.
The posting for me caused more questions than answers.
Nevada's financial situation must really be a problem so they are looking for revenue.
Just Take A Look If You Plan To Race In Las Vegas In A Couple Of Weeks

[dartman]

Notice to all Las Vegas-bound participants
Thursday, April 08, 2010

All competitors attending the SummitRacing.com NHRA Nationals should be aware that you must obtain a Nevada Trip Permit prior to entering this state if the Commercial Motor Vehicle is not registered to travel in Nevada and any of the following apply:

* The operator of the vehicle is a paid employee;
* The operator of the vehicle is under contract;
* You are a corporate entity;
* You are required to obtain a business license;
* You are required to obtain a USDOT number;
* You are operating a tow vehicle (you must also be registered with the Nevada Transportation Authority: 775.688.2800 or 702.486.3303);
* You are paid or sponsored to participate in an event or provide a commodity or service for sale; or
* You are a vendor.



You may not need a Trip Permit if:
* You are attending a special event for recreational purposes only; IE: Hot August Nights; Reno Rodeo; Air Races; Balloon Races; National Final Rodeo; Regional Special Events; etc.;
* You are operating a vehicle registered with “Transporter” plates;
* You are operating a vehicle registered with “Dealer” plates and have a NV special moving permit;
* You are not eligible to claim business expenses from the event and any prize money earned during the event is required to be claimed as income on your Federal Tax return. (See IRS Publication 525)



For more information, please refer to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration regulations. Title 49 C.F.R. § 390.3 (General Standards) and Title 49 C.F.R. § 391.2 (Farm Vehicles; Beekeepers)

This list is intended to provide basic guidelines for determining trip permit requirements. It is not intended to be all inclusive. It is your responsibility to ensure the vehicle being operated is not a Commercial Motor Vehicle (10,001 lb or more Combined Gross Vehicle Weight). If you have any doubts about the qualification of the vehicle, we recommend you purchase a trip permit.

If you have any questions regarding permit requirements, please contact the Motor Carrier Division at 775-684-4711 option 1.

[63corvette]

Originally Posted by dartman

Notice to all Las Vegas-bound participants
Thursday, April 08, 2010

This list is intended to provide basic guidelines for determining trip permit requirements. It is not intended to be all inclusive. It is your responsibility to ensure the vehicle being operated is not a Commercial Motor Vehicle (10,001 lb or more Combined Gross Vehicle Weight). If you have any doubts about the qualification of the vehicle, we recommend you purchase a trip permit.

If you have any questions regarding permit requirements, please contact the Motor Carrier Division at 775-684-4711 option 1.

The last paragraph calling a Commercial Vehicle everything with a 10,001 combined Gross Vehicle Weight is what I was confused about.
That probably covers any half ton pickup pulling a open trailer with a race car on it.
Looks like to me everyone needs the permit (notice there was not a posted cost for a permit) or it could get expensive.
Just My Reading

[63corvette]

I called the number and they only are open during regular business hours. It did not say 5 or 6 or 7 days a week but did give the web site. www.dmvnv.com
I visited the site and have copied below what I think NHRA is warning the racers about and new from July of last year. The key is if the officer calls your rig a commercial vehicle.
It looks like the permit is $5 plus the 15 cents a mile and you need it before entering the state.
Nevada is looking for more dollars.

From the web site:

Registration and Fuel Tax Temporary Permits
DMV Motor Carrier offices issue 24 hour permits (120 hours for buses) for temporary registration and special fuel taxes. Fees for registration are $5 plus 15 cents per mile. Special fuel permits are a flat $30.
New Requirements as of July 1, 2009:
Out-of state commercial vehicles with a Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 10,001 pounds or more are now required to get registration permits. (Fuel permits are not required for vehicles under 26,001 pounds unless the vehicle has three axles.)
All carriers must obtain their permit(s) before entering the state. You may no longer travel to the first available vendor.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Just to let you all know we had 2 of our swap meet people (Las Vegas MATS Event) that had 45 ft goose-necks with duelies get stopped in NM and had to get CDL's before they could move the trailers.
So beware New Mexico is watching also.

[63corvette]

Just off the phone with LeAnn with the Nevada Department of Transportation License and Permit Division regarding the permits.
She tells me:
Motorhomes are generally exempt Dually Pickups are NOT if pulling a trailer they will generally exceed the 10,001 limit and probably will be targeted.

If the trailer being pulled has any signs or decals on it, it will be targeted no matter what the tow vehicle is. "White Boxes" should be left alone but you never know it all depends on the Police Officer.

Permits are good for 24hours only and you have to have one before you enter the state.
$5 for the permit plus 15 cents for all the miles you expect to drive plus the $25 to $45 admin fee for the company you get the permit through. Plus if you have a Trip Permit you also need the Fuel Permit which is $30.

You must then get another when you leave if the 24 hour permit is expired due to time.
If you are in state and parked on private property you can purchase it directly from the State of Nevada at one of their sites. Just don't drive the rig there to purchase the permit.
By doing that you can save the $25 to $45 you have to pay the company who get the permit for you.

Being registered as a private vehicle in a persons name and not a company does not apply. She said there are lots of commercial trucks registered in individual names.

Basically LeAnn says anything with a advertising sign or decal on it is considered to be a Commercial Vehicle by the State of Nevada and will be targeted.

All the states need money and this is a way to get more of it.

Hope this helps
Rick Cates

[X-TECH MAN]

I would say the best idea is to stay out of the states that requir this type of crap. Is it really worth the money and grief?

[Bimbo Jones]

It looks like more short sighted Obama mentality to me. Rather than encouraging the tourists dallors these taveling sportman racers will bring to the Nevada economy they think they can generate their revenue shortfall by nailing a few racers on their road system. this is not cool and we should expect more and more of this as the country slips into more and more tighter controls on everything. Just wait until they start putting the screws in the RV'ing crowd if they haven't already. And I thought we were part of the RV'ing crowd????

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Bimbo Jones

It looks like more short sighted Obama mentality to me. Rather than encouraging the tourists dallors these taveling sportman racers will bring to the Nevada economy they think they can generate their revenue shortfall by nailing a few racers on their road system. this is not cool and we should expect more and more of this as the country slips into more and more tighter controls on everything. Just wait until they start putting the screws in the RV'ing crowd if they haven't already. And I thought we were part of the RV'ing crowd????

It's probably a Harry Reid agreement so they can pay for the health care reform!!!

[Jeff Teuton]

It sounds like they are allowing for 390 in the code. If you are titled in a company name, you are subject to DOT. If you are in a personal name, you are probably ok. You still need to know about 390. If you got a pickup, you probably still need a plate to cover your weight or your total GVW. Never never let them say you are a commercial vehicle. But you can't do that if you are titled in a company name or something that resembles that. Jeff Teuton is ok, Jeff Teuton Racing (just cause it looks good on a title, or on the side of a trailer) gets you in the DOT gate. Hope this helps. 399(f)(3) in the actual exemption you need for this in the DOT manual.