Drive By Wire

Larry Hill · 11-20-2010, 01:25 PM

Drive by wire is a safety issue, remember Toyota, and it is way to easy to cheat. Run tracing is easy. Traction controle you bet. Foot against the floor and only 60% throttle for first 1.296 seconds. Almost forgot where do I hook up the return spring, so I dont go flying of the end of the track at wide open throttle.

NHRA change the rule : No Drive By Wire.

Billy Nees · 11-20-2010, 02:31 PM

I'm glad that you brought this up! Didn't the Rule Book address this issue at one point in time? Something along the line of there having to be a positive conection between the gas pedal and the throttle body or carb? I seem to remember it back when throttlestops were first turning up because of some real hokey stuff being tried.

Billy Nees · 11-20-2010, 02:35 PM

Gotta love the NHRA! Larry, 2009 Rule Book page 253, 1:12 Throttle. Would YOU please read it and tell me what you think? I'm reading that the CJs ain't legal!

Chad Rhodes · 11-20-2010, 02:40 PM

neither is a C5 or C6 vette, or a new caddy. NHRA would have to approve alternate throttle bodies, as to the best of my knowledge no one makes a kit to retrofit a fly by wire tb to a cable operated

BobUnkefer · 11-20-2010, 03:37 PM

Didn't Matusek have an issue with their Mustang when they WANTED to & DID convert their setup to a throttle cable instead of a wire and tech bounced them because it wasn't a factory set up? They did it for the safety of the setup if I remember correctly.

Unk

keith ohanesian · 11-20-2010, 04:04 PM

UMM leaving off the top.. Can when say timers???

Chad Rhodes · 11-20-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keith ohanesian

UMM leaving off the top.. Can when say timers???

you know Keith, I hadn't thought of that. If you had a device that would send a default signal ( like a two step) while you ahd a particular button depressed it could easly be wired to a timer to interrupt/delay the throttle signal. Nothing would appear weird from the outside of the car

Bob Pagano · 11-20-2010, 04:15 PM

Holy crap another can of worms, how will they sweep that under the carpet?? Rule Change to follow I bet !

Travis Miller · 11-20-2010, 04:16 PM

Drive by wire is covered in the 2011 NHRA rulebook. It can be found in the STOCK Section 10A, page 4 under FUEL INJECTION. The 2nd sentence reads as follows;

"If OEM throttle body (s) was equipped with electronic throttle control (i.e., drive by wire), the throttle body (s) may be adapted to mechanical throttle linkage if an aftermarket OEM-type electronic-fuel-injection system is used."

Anyone wanting to download the 2011 NHRA rulebook can do so by going to NHRA.com and click on the archive section. When the archive page comes up, scroll down to 11/17/10 for the rulebook. BTW the rulebook download is free to members only.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Jeff Teuton · 11-20-2010, 07:42 PM

The throttle position has the least effect on the new cars. That from someone who knows.

11-20-2010, 01:25 PM	#1
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,587 Likes: 1,872 Liked 10,591 Times in 2,190 Posts	Drive By Wire Drive by wire is a safety issue, remember Toyota, and it is way to easy to cheat. Run tracing is easy. Traction controle you bet. Foot against the floor and only 60% throttle for first 1.296 seconds. Almost forgot where do I hook up the return spring, so I dont go flying of the end of the track at wide open throttle. NHRA change the rule : No Drive By Wire. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

11-20-2010, 02:31 PM	#2
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,473 Likes: 3,564 Liked 7,596 Times in 1,718 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire I'm glad that you brought this up! Didn't the Rule Book address this issue at one point in time? Something along the line of there having to be a positive conection between the gas pedal and the throttle body or carb? I seem to remember it back when throttlestops were first turning up because of some real hokey stuff being tried. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.

11-20-2010, 02:35 PM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,473 Likes: 3,564 Liked 7,596 Times in 1,718 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Gotta love the NHRA! Larry, 2009 Rule Book page 253, 1:12 Throttle. Would YOU please read it and tell me what you think? I'm reading that the CJs ain't legal! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.

11-20-2010, 02:40 PM	#4
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire neither is a C5 or C6 vette, or a new caddy. NHRA would have to approve alternate throttle bodies, as to the best of my knowledge no one makes a kit to retrofit a fly by wire tb to a cable operated __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

11-20-2010, 03:37 PM	#5
BobUnkefer Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 465 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Didn't Matusek have an issue with their Mustang when they WANTED to & DID convert their setup to a throttle cable instead of a wire and tech bounced them because it wasn't a factory set up? They did it for the safety of the setup if I remember correctly. Unk __________________ Bob Unkefer 4409 STK

11-20-2010, 04:04 PM	#6
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Drive By Wire UMM leaving off the top.. Can when say timers??? __________________ No prep is king

11-20-2010, 04:15 PM	#8
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 232 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Holy crap another can of worms, how will they sweep that under the carpet?? Rule Change to follow I bet ! __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-20-2010, 04:16 PM	#9
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Drive by wire is covered in the 2011 NHRA rulebook. It can be found in the STOCK Section 10A, page 4 under FUEL INJECTION. The 2nd sentence reads as follows; "If OEM throttle body (s) was equipped with electronic throttle control (i.e., drive by wire), the throttle body (s) may be adapted to mechanical throttle linkage if an aftermarket OEM-type electronic-fuel-injection system is used." Anyone wanting to download the 2011 NHRA rulebook can do so by going to NHRA.com and click on the archive section. When the archive page comes up, scroll down to 11/17/10 for the rulebook. BTW the rulebook download is free to members only. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

11-20-2010, 07:42 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire The throttle position has the least effect on the new cars. That from someone who knows. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK