Question about comp eliminator

68Coupe · 04-11-2014, 11:51 AM

can someone explain to me how comp eliminator works. I understand stock & super stock about the index and dialing your car unless it's head up.
But I don't understand comp.

supergas4 · 04-11-2014, 11:54 AM

go to a divsion race and visit with comp teams they are nice folks that spend a lot of money to race.

68Coupe · 04-11-2014, 11:58 AM

I am not talking about wanting to build one or race one I am talking about as far as a spectator understanding who wins and why.

Ed Carpenter · 04-11-2014, 11:59 AM

All comp classes have an index. They run off their index. In qualifying they can go as fast as they want. Like this weekend at Charlotte the top 7 are -.67 under there index. Now in eliminations if they go more than-.50 under they get a cic penalty. So example someone's index is 9.00 and they run 8.45 and win the next round there index would be 8.95. So they lose .05 if they go -.60 under or more they get a permanent hit on there index. I don't run comp but love the class. If I posted something wrong someone will correct me I'm sure. Ed

Mike Carr · 04-11-2014, 12:09 PM

Comp explained: http://forum.competitionplus.com/sho...77&postcount=5

cutta · 04-11-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild

All comp classes have an index. They run off their index. In qualifying they can go as fast as they want. Like this weekend at Charlotte the top 7 are -.67 under there index. Now in eliminations if they go more than-.50 under they get a cic penalty. So example someone's index is 9.00 and they run 8.45 and win the next round there index would be 8.95. So they lose .05 if they go -.60 under or more they get a permanent hit on there index. I don't run comp but love the class. If I posted something wrong someone will correct me I'm sure. Ed

Ed you're correct. The only thing I would add is that once your in elims, its completely heads up, index to index(staggered start as the index difference dictates), first to arrive at the finish line wins.

one of the few forms of heads up index racing.

FireSale · 04-11-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cutta

Ed you're correct. The only thing I would add is that once your in elims, its completely heads up, index to index(staggered start as the index difference dictates), first to arrive at the finish line wins.

one of the few forms of heads up index racing.

Don't confuse me. Comp Elim is a handicap start. The Super Elim starts (Super Gas/Super Comp) are heads up within an index. The OP was asking about Comp Elim.

When I first got back to the track. Super Elim drove me nuts. I couldn't figure out why these really fast cars were slow off the line...

Correct me if I missed something.

Dale

Superfan1 · 04-11-2014, 06:12 PM

The only thing that I would explain further is that, during eliminations, the CIC (Competition Index Control) penalty is equal to the second digit after the decimal point of a run more than .50 under the index. For example, a run of .51 under incurs a penalty of .01 for the next round, a run of .56 under incurs a penalty of .06 for the next round, and a run of .61 under incurs a penalty of .11 for the next round AND .01 permanent.

cutta · 04-12-2014, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FireSail

Don't confuse me. Comp Elim is a handicap start. The Super Elim starts (Super Gas/Super Comp) are heads up within an index. The OP was asking about Comp Elim.

When I first got back to the track. Super Elim drove me nuts. I couldn't figure out why these really fast cars were slow off the line...

Correct me if I missed something.

Dale

"Super" classes are not heads up, they are essentially bracket racing on the same dial in, in which breakouts apply.

Heads up(no breakout) racing is what Comp Eliminator is once eliminations start. It should not be confused or lumped into the same category as the "Super" classes as it is totally different.

Adger Smith · 04-12-2014, 04:08 AM

Comp racing is a very interesting class. I really don't think you could call it heads up. Like everyone has explained it is run off of an "index" and handicaped starts. I don't think index to index is what is traditionaly called heads up.
I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but it is just another form of shoepolish racing.
Instead of having the shoe polish in your hand NHRA does in the form of the CIC. (Competition Index Control) It is a very well laid out application of the CIC by the rules. Go too fast, as the rules dictate, and your index changes. There really isn't any shoepolish, it's INK in NHRA's index books. It is that simple, except it takes a large application of money and a huge amount of work & smarts to be able to go too fast. Go too fast to win a round and you can hurt your chances for the next round, unless your holding power, or worse yet you can hurt your chances of winning in that class until you step your program up. It's the Sportsman version of Pro Stock.

04-11-2014, 11:51 AM	#1
68Coupe Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Question about comp eliminator can someone explain to me how comp eliminator works. I understand stock & super stock about the index and dialing your car unless it's head up. But I don't understand comp.

04-11-2014, 11:54 AM	#2
supergas4 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 159 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Question about comp eliminator go to a divsion race and visit with comp teams they are nice folks that spend a lot of money to race.

04-11-2014, 11:58 AM	#3
68Coupe Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Question about comp eliminator I am not talking about wanting to build one or race one I am talking about as far as a spectator understanding who wins and why.

04-11-2014, 11:59 AM	#4
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Question about comp eliminator All comp classes have an index. They run off their index. In qualifying they can go as fast as they want. Like this weekend at Charlotte the top 7 are -.67 under there index. Now in eliminations if they go more than-.50 under they get a cic penalty. So example someone's index is 9.00 and they run 8.45 and win the next round there index would be 8.95. So they lose .05 if they go -.60 under or more they get a permanent hit on there index. I don't run comp but love the class. If I posted something wrong someone will correct me I'm sure. Ed __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

04-11-2014, 12:09 PM	#5
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Question about comp eliminator Comp explained: http://forum.competitionplus.com/sho...77&postcount=5 __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

04-11-2014, 06:12 PM	#8
Superfan1 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bridgeport,CT. Posts: 1,991 Likes: 1,663 Liked 2,632 Times in 438 Posts	Re: Question about comp eliminator The only thing that I would explain further is that, during eliminations, the CIC (Competition Index Control) penalty is equal to the second digit after the decimal point of a run more than .50 under the index. For example, a run of .51 under incurs a penalty of .01 for the next round, a run of .56 under incurs a penalty of .06 for the next round, and a run of .61 under incurs a penalty of .11 for the next round AND .01 permanent. __________________ Bill Seabrooks - superfan1 Bridgeport, CT

04-12-2014, 04:08 AM	#10
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Question about comp eliminator Comp racing is a very interesting class. I really don't think you could call it heads up. Like everyone has explained it is run off of an "index" and handicaped starts. I don't think index to index is what is traditionaly called heads up. I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but it is just another form of shoepolish racing. Instead of having the shoe polish in your hand NHRA does in the form of the CIC. (Competition Index Control) It is a very well laid out application of the CIC by the rules. Go too fast, as the rules dictate, and your index changes. There really isn't any shoepolish, it's INK in NHRA's index books. It is that simple, except it takes a large application of money and a huge amount of work & smarts to be able to go too fast. Go too fast to win a round and you can hurt your chances for the next round, unless your holding power, or worse yet you can hurt your chances of winning in that class until you step your program up. It's the Sportsman version of Pro Stock. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)