Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447

james schaechter · 05-26-2014, 08:55 AM

This was an interesting mention from Ernie Saxton's article in ND. I looked it up online.

Anyone heard of this? I like some of it. Some parts, I am not sure of. I actually am ok with the higher annual plate fee for an RV/ Toter type deal. I also like the 85 ft overall length. The fuel in the fuel cell of a racecar being allowed is good, although it says that the cell must be sfi? I don't recall an sfi sticker on my alum cell.

Anyway, at least they are taking a swing at some changes.

Here is a link to the bill if you would like to review it. Now keep in mind, if you like or don't like it, you should be contacting your senator to tell them how you feel. Politicians only will listen to their constituants. They all have e mail. I would say to put the main message title as: HF2447 vote yes (or no, or change proposal,etc).
Then, put the details in the body of the letter.

We know the chances are real good the average senator will not read any of the bill, so it is possible to pursuade them to vote and vote in a way that will help if they see enough e mails from racers.

http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/Legisl...ed/HF2447.html

Dave Casey · 05-26-2014, 08:15 PM

Jim, Thanks for posting

Is this only for Iowa ?

I don't understand the fuel part, it is currently legal to transport a car with gas in the tank I believe. Is this about gas in jugs and cans ? maybe I didn't read it correctly

Dave

james schaechter · 05-26-2014, 08:40 PM

Dave, I don't know yet for sure. I do know there are efforts to try and create some consistancy with the entire process. I think the problem with fuel cells was that they were not considered when the original legislation was enacted. Fuel cells are certainly better than a standard fuel tank.

I think there needs to be middle ground on some vehicles that don't push sportsman into professional driver status also.

This looks like an attempt to do this. Maybe Jeff Teuton can chime in on this:-).

FireSale · 05-26-2014, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Casey

Jim, Thanks for posting

Is this only for Iowa ?

I don't understand the fuel part, it is currently legal to transport a car with gas in the tank I believe. Is this about gas in jugs and cans ? maybe I didn't read it correctly

Dave

A racer was sited for hauling fuel across State lines in a "non-DOT approved container" A fuel cell in the race car. The fine was $4,000.

Current issue of National Dragster pg.30

Dale

SSDA Hemi · 05-27-2014, 06:54 AM

Its funny as I was just talking about this at Maple Grove this weekend. NHRA SHOULD be involved in this.

Look around the pits at most of the sportsman operations. NHRA needs to GET involved in this - before it does blow up!

And a FYI - My stuff is under legal length , DOT# , IFTA, etc... I don't need any crap on the way to/from the racetrack no matter where I'm going. And Yes I do pull across the scales...

denbreeden · 05-27-2014, 10:08 AM

One of the NSS racers was pulled over on his way to St. Louis last Friday, pulling a 24' trailer with his pickup. The Illinois officer wanted to know if he had any stickers on his car. They made him drive back to the scale house, weighed him and then looked at his car. His car had no stickers so they let him go but the Illinois State Police did call Doug Duell about the racer because Doug's name was on the flyer for the race. These states all need money so they will try anything in the name of "safety".

Dennis Breeden

Ed Wright · 05-27-2014, 12:34 PM

Dennis, sticker would have cost him some money? I wasn't aware we were supposed to go across scales. Motor homes too?

Sounds like we are supposed to drain our fuel cels if crossing state lines also?

Rob Petrie E395 · 05-27-2014, 09:10 PM

Are you talking about the NSS race that went along with NMCA at Gateway this weekend? If so I was at the same race and was pulled over on the way home late Sunday night. By the same officer that I wrote of In Larrys IL DOT thread a couple of weeks ago. I was not ticketed, he just asked a ton of questions again. I got no idea why he keeps wanting to talk to me but he does. I really don't know what to do about it at this point. He is looking for something but for damn sure wont tell me what.

Wade_Owens · 05-29-2014, 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=SSDA Hemi;432844]

NHRA needs to GET involved in this - before it does blow up!

QUOTE]

Yes, they should. They have a vested interest in these issues also.

I would add that every restaurant, gas station and hotel owner needs to get involved, too. These small track owners are going to suffer even further with low car counts. I have ZERO intentions of attending races in Illinois at this time. When we have to travel through to get to a race in another state, I'll be on pins and needles until we get through there. I talked with a friend who is with the Missouri DOT about this problem. He said Illinois is by far and away the worst state about hasseling people and its going to get worse. Their fines are 3 times what they are in Missouri. My friend that was pulled over in So Illinois was told to start stopping at every weigh station for a check out. If you do that, you may as well stand there with your check book out and ready. If they'll take a check!

The next step will be to pull all the decals, license the car and take my chances from there. I don't think I'm ready to start dealing with the DOT.

Wade

Tom P · 05-29-2014, 05:11 PM

I suppose the license plates will be changed to Illinois: The Police State

I've had that at the US border too where they fished for the commercial aspect for a while at the booth outside before sending me into the building for two hours of harrassment and a hundred buck "green card" work permit for a race that was rained out anyways. Last time i've raced in the US, I don't intend to go back with a car now that i'm flagged by their system.

Nobody else i know has been asked,
Funny thing is the stickers were 1960's ones for some companies long defunct that probably paid their latest contingencies to Gas Ronda and Pete Robinson.

05-26-2014, 08:55 AM	#1
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,976 Likes: 1,259 Liked 1,383 Times in 288 Posts	Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 This was an interesting mention from Ernie Saxton's article in ND. I looked it up online. Anyone heard of this? I like some of it. Some parts, I am not sure of. I actually am ok with the higher annual plate fee for an RV/ Toter type deal. I also like the 85 ft overall length. The fuel in the fuel cell of a racecar being allowed is good, although it says that the cell must be sfi? I don't recall an sfi sticker on my alum cell. Anyway, at least they are taking a swing at some changes. Here is a link to the bill if you would like to review it. Now keep in mind, if you like or don't like it, you should be contacting your senator to tell them how you feel. Politicians only will listen to their constituants. They all have e mail. I would say to put the main message title as: HF2447 vote yes (or no, or change proposal,etc). Then, put the details in the body of the letter. We know the chances are real good the average senator will not read any of the bill, so it is possible to pursuade them to vote and vote in a way that will help if they see enough e mails from racers. http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/Legisl...ed/HF2447.html __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

05-26-2014, 08:15 PM	#2
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,194 Likes: 233 Liked 758 Times in 160 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 Jim, Thanks for posting Is this only for Iowa ? I don't understand the fuel part, it is currently legal to transport a car with gas in the tank I believe. Is this about gas in jugs and cans ? maybe I didn't read it correctly Dave __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

05-26-2014, 08:40 PM	#3
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,976 Likes: 1,259 Liked 1,383 Times in 288 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 Dave, I don't know yet for sure. I do know there are efforts to try and create some consistancy with the entire process. I think the problem with fuel cells was that they were not considered when the original legislation was enacted. Fuel cells are certainly better than a standard fuel tank. I think there needs to be middle ground on some vehicles that don't push sportsman into professional driver status also. This looks like an attempt to do this. Maybe Jeff Teuton can chime in on this:-). __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

05-27-2014, 06:54 AM	#5
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 502 Likes: 130 Liked 449 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 Its funny as I was just talking about this at Maple Grove this weekend. NHRA SHOULD be involved in this. Look around the pits at most of the sportsman operations. NHRA needs to GET involved in this - before it does blow up! And a FYI - My stuff is under legal length , DOT# , IFTA, etc... I don't need any crap on the way to/from the racetrack no matter where I'm going. And Yes I do pull across the scales...

05-27-2014, 10:08 AM	#6
denbreeden Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Plainville, IN Posts: 501 Likes: 147 Liked 61 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 One of the NSS racers was pulled over on his way to St. Louis last Friday, pulling a 24' trailer with his pickup. The Illinois officer wanted to know if he had any stickers on his car. They made him drive back to the scale house, weighed him and then looked at his car. His car had no stickers so they let him go but the Illinois State Police did call Doug Duell about the racer because Doug's name was on the flyer for the race. These states all need money so they will try anything in the name of "safety". Dennis Breeden

05-27-2014, 12:34 PM	#7
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 169 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 Dennis, sticker would have cost him some money? I wasn't aware we were supposed to go across scales. Motor homes too? Sounds like we are supposed to drain our fuel cels if crossing state lines also? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

05-27-2014, 09:10 PM	#8
Rob Petrie E395 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Woodlawn IL Posts: 1,092 Likes: 162 Liked 216 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 Are you talking about the NSS race that went along with NMCA at Gateway this weekend? If so I was at the same race and was pulled over on the way home late Sunday night. By the same officer that I wrote of In Larrys IL DOT thread a couple of weeks ago. I was not ticketed, he just asked a ton of questions again. I got no idea why he keeps wanting to talk to me but he does. I really don't know what to do about it at this point. He is looking for something but for damn sure wont tell me what.

05-29-2014, 02:18 PM	#9
Wade_Owens Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 578 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 [QUOTE=SSDA Hemi;432844] NHRA needs to GET involved in this - before it does blow up! QUOTE] Yes, they should. They have a vested interest in these issues also. I would add that every restaurant, gas station and hotel owner needs to get involved, too. These small track owners are going to suffer even further with low car counts. I have ZERO intentions of attending races in Illinois at this time. When we have to travel through to get to a race in another state, I'll be on pins and needles until we get through there. I talked with a friend who is with the Missouri DOT about this problem. He said Illinois is by far and away the worst state about hasseling people and its going to get worse. Their fines are 3 times what they are in Missouri. My friend that was pulled over in So Illinois was told to start stopping at every weigh station for a check out. If you do that, you may as well stand there with your check book out and ready. If they'll take a check! The next step will be to pull all the decals, license the car and take my chances from there. I don't think I'm ready to start dealing with the DOT. Wade

05-29-2014, 05:11 PM	#10
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 707 Likes: 30 Liked 239 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Motorsports Recreational Vehicle Bill HF2447 I suppose the license plates will be changed to Illinois: The Police State I've had that at the US border too where they fished for the commercial aspect for a while at the booth outside before sending me into the building for two hours of harrassment and a hundred buck "green card" work permit for a race that was rained out anyways. Last time i've raced in the US, I don't intend to go back with a car now that i'm flagged by their system. Nobody else i know has been asked, Funny thing is the stickers were 1960's ones for some companies long defunct that probably paid their latest contingencies to Gas Ronda and Pete Robinson. Last edited by Tom P; 05-29-2014 at 05:13 PM.