Dommination of FI cars.

Gale Forse · 12-14-2007, 10:32 PM

With the ability of tuning FI cars to go as fast as you want with A key board. How much affect will this have on future car counts when traditional cars can not compete any more.

Speedracer · 12-14-2007, 10:39 PM

Very soon, I believe you will see another new rule that Fuel Injection is allowed on traditional cars that came with a carburetor.That will put that theory of yours to a rest.There is nothing STOCK about Super Stock or Stock anymore.I still think a Nitrous carbureted car can outrun a traditional fuel injected car though.

Just edited......

Upon reading the new 2008 rulebook,I'm not so sure that you have to run a carburetor in Super Stock.It looks like the CARBURETOR section is missing.Its still there for Stock,but it just might now be legal to run FUEL INJECTION instead of a carburetor.If its not legal now,I'm sure it will be soon.Even the Pro Stock section says CARBURETOR under the engine section,but not SUPER STOCK.

Jeff Lee · 12-15-2007, 12:04 AM

Stock rules take precedence over SS rules unless specified as an allowable difference.

Speedracer · 12-15-2007, 12:12 AM

Didn't some guy run a 400 block instead of a 440 and that was okay?

How about a 1968 Fuel Injected Pop-Up Piston 440 Dodge?
I bet that would be a killer combo!

Bruce Witherspoon · 12-15-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gale Forse

With the ability of tuning FI cars to go as fast as you want with A key board. How much affect will this have on future car counts when traditional cars can not compete any more.

Gale, Can I pose a question to you? Help me understand how you achieve all of this extra horsepower from A key stroke. I've been working on that one for awhile and I just can't seem to grasp it?
If it was as simple as you say, don't you thinks that everyone who had an injected vehicle would be fast? It appears that from all of the qualifying sheets that I have seen that that isn't the case.

Rich Biebel · 12-15-2007, 09:06 AM

I put together an LT-1 fuel injected Firebird and raced it for a little over a year. I built the engine myself with all very good parts. I never took the car or engine to a dyno session and tuned it myself on the racetrack learnig as I went along. I made some good runs but far from what the better cars can run. I ran a best of -.75 with the car 200lbs heavy for the class. Anyone who thinks a F.I. car is easy or will dominate is mistaken. Yes they are fast when they are working well but no faster or more consistant or predictable than some of the cars they will be lining up with in 2008. I sold my car in favor of something more "user friendly". Hopefully the new owner will do well with it and his first stop planned was a chassis dyno session with friends who are much more savy than me on the tuning of one of these cars.

james schaechter · 12-15-2007, 09:25 AM

I would rather race than argue about what will be on this matter, but Bruce I think Gale Forse is the only "key Stroke" on this thread.

Dave Ribeiro · 12-15-2007, 10:10 AM

Gale and Jim,

You are both right and FI will domminate as they want, until NHRA properly factors those motors..I think by mid-year racers will see just how much faster they really are over carbs...
Bruce, you are right they are not easy..But do have a big advantage over carbs... Anyway, time will tell and its not just the Chevies,but the 302 ci fords are a Hot little piece..... The bottom line is they will Domminate as they please, all the class they are in........2008 will be a very interesting year.. I think it won't be long before its sticks/auto's together, we will see in 2009..
I do think it will make for some good heads-up and class racing for a little while...
" Happy Holidays" Dave...1033/stock

Gary Smith · 12-15-2007, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gale Forse

With the ability of tuning FI cars to go as fast as you want with A key board. How much affect will this have on future car counts when traditional cars can not compete any more.

The last I checked, keystrokes replaced jetting, powervavles, squirters, diaphrams, and other legal carburetor changes in FI. You can dump as little or as much fuel into a 55mm hole, just as long as the hole isn't smaller or bigger than 55mm (or whatever came on the engine). If I recall, I thought carb cars can use an O2 sensor system which pretty much makes the tuning game even. But if there's a "keystroke combo" that increases horsepower, please pass it on!!!

Speedracer · 12-15-2007, 11:17 AM

Come to think of it,I sure have seen a lot of carburetors for sale lately.Some might want to consider a three speed powerglide trans.

12-14-2007, 10:32 PM	#1
Gale Forse Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dommination of FI cars. With the ability of tuning FI cars to go as fast as you want with A key board. How much affect will this have on future car counts when traditional cars can not compete any more.

12-14-2007, 10:39 PM	#2
Speedracer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Very soon, I believe you will see another new rule that Fuel Injection is allowed on traditional cars that came with a carburetor.That will put that theory of yours to a rest.There is nothing STOCK about Super Stock or Stock anymore.I still think a Nitrous carbureted car can outrun a traditional fuel injected car though. Just edited...... Upon reading the new 2008 rulebook,I'm not so sure that you have to run a carburetor in Super Stock.It looks like the CARBURETOR section is missing.Its still there for Stock,but it just might now be legal to run FUEL INJECTION instead of a carburetor.If its not legal now,I'm sure it will be soon.Even the Pro Stock section says CARBURETOR under the engine section,but not SUPER STOCK. Last edited by Speedracer; 12-14-2007 at 11:36 PM.

12-15-2007, 12:04 AM	#3
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Stock rules take precedence over SS rules unless specified as an allowable difference. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-15-2007, 12:12 AM	#4
Speedracer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Didn't some guy run a 400 block instead of a 440 and that was okay? How about a 1968 Fuel Injected Pop-Up Piston 440 Dodge? I bet that would be a killer combo! Last edited by Speedracer; 12-15-2007 at 12:51 AM.

12-15-2007, 09:06 AM	#6
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,312 Likes: 25 Liked 543 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. I put together an LT-1 fuel injected Firebird and raced it for a little over a year. I built the engine myself with all very good parts. I never took the car or engine to a dyno session and tuned it myself on the racetrack learnig as I went along. I made some good runs but far from what the better cars can run. I ran a best of -.75 with the car 200lbs heavy for the class. Anyone who thinks a F.I. car is easy or will dominate is mistaken. Yes they are fast when they are working well but no faster or more consistant or predictable than some of the cars they will be lining up with in 2008. I sold my car in favor of something more "user friendly". Hopefully the new owner will do well with it and his first stop planned was a chassis dyno session with friends who are much more savy than me on the tuning of one of these cars. __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

12-15-2007, 09:25 AM	#7
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,976 Likes: 1,259 Liked 1,384 Times in 288 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. I would rather race than argue about what will be on this matter, but Bruce I think Gale Forse is the only "key Stroke" on this thread. __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

12-15-2007, 10:10 AM	#8
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Gale and Jim, You are both right and FI will domminate as they want, until NHRA properly factors those motors..I think by mid-year racers will see just how much faster they really are over carbs... Bruce, you are right they are not easy..But do have a big advantage over carbs... Anyway, time will tell and its not just the Chevies,but the 302 ci fords are a Hot little piece..... The bottom line is they will Domminate as they please, all the class they are in........2008 will be a very interesting year.. I think it won't be long before its sticks/auto's together, we will see in 2009.. I do think it will make for some good heads-up and class racing for a little while... " Happy Holidays" Dave...1033/stock __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

12-15-2007, 11:17 AM	#10
Speedracer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Come to think of it,I sure have seen a lot of carburetors for sale lately.Some might want to consider a three speed powerglide trans. Last edited by Speedracer; 12-15-2007 at 11:24 AM.