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[JP1738]

Originally Posted by FED 387

Trans problem solved as "corporate trans" and NHRA accepted adapters permitted per rule book under Stock/Trans.-- definitely a "paper one of car" in my opinion maybe belongs in SS but really pushing the rules here on Stock---FED 387

How is this a paper car? This is a factory car with a VIN and title. Yes the rear suspension had to be modified to fit the rules but everything I've seen/heard makes this as legit as any other stocker I know of. Might not be a typical stocker we are familiar with, but it wasn't supposed to be.

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by JP1738

How is this a paper car? This is a factory car with a VIN and title. Yes the rear suspension had to be modified to fit the rules but everything I've seen/heard makes this as legit as any other stocker I know of. Might not be a typical stocker we are familiar with, but it wasn't supposed to be.

It would be a "factory car", IF it used the same brand of transmission and rearend that the car came from the factory with, like every other factory built Stock Eliminator car, that is actually in the NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide, which last time I looked the other day, NO Toyota vehicle is in the guide. The factory car came with a transmission with several more gear ratios than a 3 speed Turbo 400. A Japanese Toyota car with a German BMW engine, and an American GM transmission, and a Ford rearend sounds like quite a stretch for a "Factory Stock" car, let alone a traditional Stock Eliminator car.

[BRETV]

I have been around Stock/Super Stock racing since my uncle gave me a ride up to the staging lanes in 1970 in his SS/G 69 CJ Mustang. I consider my self a purist of the sport and not to my liking it has evolved way past the point of no return. My family were Ford dealers since 1946 and we have seen over 75 years how the different manufactures have gone to bed with one another on many parts to build these cars to cut costs. It's not like the 60's, 70's,80's,90's etc. So we have to move forward with what the manufactures are doing today and try in some way to get new cars in the class. It was great when the Big 3 built the Copo's, CJ's and Drag Pak's, but they really weren't Stock Eliminator cars in the purist definition and should be in their own class, Kudo's for NHRA doing that. So to get new blood in the sport, which we definitely need, building a factory produced car that was produced by the thousands is a great move forward for our sport. Now, the rules are more gray in the areas everyone is talking about, trans, rear ends, etc. But these cars nowdays are Heinz 57's, like a dog with lots of breeds mixed in LOL. I take my hat off to GUMP for going thru the process with NHRA and Toyota, I know how hard it is. I'm the one that got the 2003 Mustang specs in the guides back in 2007, thanks to Jesse Kershaw at Ford, so I could build one of the 2003 Cobra's for A/S. Should have kept that car, but that's another story. Back to the Supra. Believe me you guys, you do not want to compete with any 6, 8 or 10 speed automatic car, they will run away and hide from any, Metric 200, Turbo 350, C4, Torqueflight out there. Gump actually slowed it down putting in the Turbo 400. LOL. As far as the rear end, I wish NHRA would have made an exception about the no truck rear end deal in this car instead of the 9 inch, but the new 2008 rule is in effect. The only thing I disagree with on all the new cars are the drive by wire throttlebody's, those should be a no-no, too much can be done with the computer to control the car. I'm finishing up a newer car and I made sure the throttle was a mechanical cable, also my car was massed produced with a vin and going to run in the regular classes. I love to see Bobby Brannon, Dan Zrust, Al Corda, Ponville boys run the production cars in the traditional classes. I can't wait to see the Supra, it's gonna be fast, just keep it out of I/J/K GUMP!!! LOL.




Bret Velde
2003 I/SA
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[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

"IF it used the same brand of transmission and rearend that the car came from the factory with, like every other factory built Stock Eliminator car...

Again, not one rule was changed to allow the Supra. In fact this statement is blatantly false. There's how YOU think the rules are written and what's actually in the rulebook.

I'm almost finished with a 2024 Camaro. It has a 9" rear and a transmission that has zero OEM parts (including the case). It was built from a CRC so it never had a VIN. It is also 100% legal.

History shows that I was against almost every "enhancement" over the years. All it does is drive up the cost and add complexity to the cars. But, I don't make the rules, I just do my best to roll with them.

[Dan Bennett]

Entered a like for this comment just to clarify I have no issue with Daren taking whatever advantage the rules give him, but rather that the NHRA started us down this very wrong road a while back. Yes, times change but the present state of Stock (and Super Stock) is so far away from what it was meant to be is more than annoying to me.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

....times change but the present state of Stock (and Super Stock) is so far away from what it was meant to be....

I very much agree on this.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

Yes, times change but the present state of Stock (and Super Stock) is so far away from what it was meant to be is more than annoying to me.

Not in MY house!
Stock and SS have changed because NHRA accepted "deals" which forced S/SS to change and certain Racers took advantage of those changes. I'm not going to determine whether the changes are right or wrong but they're not for me.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Not in MY house!
Stock and SS have changed because NHRA accepted "deals" which forced S/SS to change and certain Racers took advantage of those changes. I'm not going to determine whether the changes are right or wrong but they're not for me.

You were part of a couple of discussions yesterday!

[GTS340]

Please Sir can I have more.Now we have a transmission adapter aproved. But please sir I need more too. It never ends! These new car builds are rediculous. No focus on the normal cost to to build a chassis. I think most who care. Can't wait to see the "I need a break on the factory rated Hp rating". will be.

Paul Haszlauer

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Again, not one rule was changed to allow the Supra. In fact this statement is blatantly false. There's how YOU think the rules are written and what's actually in the rulebook.

I'm almost finished with a 2024 Camaro. It has a 9" rear and a transmission that has zero OEM parts (including the case). It was built from a CRC so it never had a VIN. It is also 100% legal.

History shows that I was against almost every "enhancement" over the years. All it does is drive up the cost and add complexity to the cars. But, I don't make the rules, I just do my best to roll with them.

You claim that "Not one rule was changed to allow the Supra", how about the rule that for over 1/2 century , only cars were allowed in Stock that were included in the oficial NHRA Classification Guide'? Or did NHRA decide to give you a fresh sheet or paper to create a Toyota that is NOT in the guide?