making the galaxie fly - Page 2

Karl Reid · 01-16-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen & Horace Johnson

there's a couple of built, but havent hit the track yet...................

Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

Jerry Pruitt (SS6035) Yakima, WA has an 83 Mustang GT/J that's been in storage for a few years --

Stephen & Horace Johnson · 01-17-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl Reid

Jerry Pruitt (SS6035) Yakima, WA has an 83 Mustang GT/J that's been in storage for a few years --

do you know how to get in contact with Jerry?

Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

Karl Reid · 01-17-2009, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen & Horace Johnson

do you know how to get in contact with Jerry?

Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

Jerry is the GM at Steve Hahn's Performance Audi/VW in Yakima, WA 509-248-4780

Bill Harris · 01-17-2009, 02:04 PM

Hummm.. low compression and either a tiny 485 CFM Holley or a 520 CFM autolite carb, along with a heavy block and crank... dunno if it sounds all that good for 352 cubic inches, even at 250 HP.

Jeff Lee · 01-17-2009, 10:15 PM

Bill, wake up, snap out of it!

Ford racers don't use factory parts!

big blue galaxie · 01-18-2009, 02:01 PM

OK Bill, what do you think would be a good combo? And yeah, the secret's out, Ford folks don't use factory parts!
Anyway, are the 429-460 (385 series) in any way competetive at all? I see more FE's and small blocks running than anything else.

Bill Harris · 01-18-2009, 02:55 PM

Well you want to run stock so you can only choose the engines that actually came in a '64 Galaxie 500. The 429/460's have some variants that are excellent, but you can't use them. Unless you have a ton of money and can afford to build a 427, your pretty much stuck with the 352 at 250HP (258HP if you use the Edelbrock heads), or one of two 390 variations, one at 280HP (288HP with ed heads) and the other at 330HP (338 w/ed heads).

The 352 and low horse 390 are virtually identical except for displacement. They have the same heads, same intake, same lift cam and use the same Autolite carburetor. The 390 has a touch more compression, 10:1 instead of 9.3:1 due to less deck. It would probably cost exactly the same amount to build either one, so you would have to decide if the extra 38 cubic inches was worth the extra 30HP factor.

The 390/330HP engine gets you a 600 CFM Holley carb and a little more cam lift (0.439 vs 0.408) but carries a hefty 50HP penalty, which likely is way more than those additions are worth.

You could ask NHRA to take 30 HP off the 390/330 giving it a factored HP of 300 which might be a good combo. 20 HP for the carb and cam are more reasonable.

big blue galaxie · 01-18-2009, 05:15 PM

Thanx for the insight Bill, and I guess the next question would be which variant of the Edelbrocks are legal. I am guessing the Performers and not the RPMs; but you have to run all the rest of the stock equipment, right?

Bill Harris · 01-18-2009, 05:22 PM

There is a specific edelbrock part number for the NHRA legal heads which is #60057.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...ads/nhra.shtml

They are like the performer RPMs but have no additional touch-up or port work done to them. There is an NHRA logo stamped on them too.

Rory McNeil · 01-19-2009, 01:07 AM

Also, the Edelbrock castings for the 352 & 390 have the smaller sized valves than the Edelbrock 428CJ heads use.

01-17-2009, 02:04 PM	#14
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly Hummm.. low compression and either a tiny 485 CFM Holley or a 520 CFM autolite carb, along with a heavy block and crank... dunno if it sounds all that good for 352 cubic inches, even at 250 HP. __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

01-17-2009, 10:15 PM	#15
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly Bill, wake up, snap out of it! Ford racers don't use factory parts! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

01-18-2009, 02:01 PM	#16
big blue galaxie Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly OK Bill, what do you think would be a good combo? And yeah, the secret's out, Ford folks don't use factory parts! Anyway, are the 429-460 (385 series) in any way competetive at all? I see more FE's and small blocks running than anything else.

01-18-2009, 02:55 PM	#17
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly Well you want to run stock so you can only choose the engines that actually came in a '64 Galaxie 500. The 429/460's have some variants that are excellent, but you can't use them. Unless you have a ton of money and can afford to build a 427, your pretty much stuck with the 352 at 250HP (258HP if you use the Edelbrock heads), or one of two 390 variations, one at 280HP (288HP with ed heads) and the other at 330HP (338 w/ed heads). The 352 and low horse 390 are virtually identical except for displacement. They have the same heads, same intake, same lift cam and use the same Autolite carburetor. The 390 has a touch more compression, 10:1 instead of 9.3:1 due to less deck. It would probably cost exactly the same amount to build either one, so you would have to decide if the extra 38 cubic inches was worth the extra 30HP factor. The 390/330HP engine gets you a 600 CFM Holley carb and a little more cam lift (0.439 vs 0.408) but carries a hefty 50HP penalty, which likely is way more than those additions are worth. You could ask NHRA to take 30 HP off the 390/330 giving it a factored HP of 300 which might be a good combo. 20 HP for the carb and cam are more reasonable. __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

01-18-2009, 05:15 PM	#18
big blue galaxie Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly Thanx for the insight Bill, and I guess the next question would be which variant of the Edelbrocks are legal. I am guessing the Performers and not the RPMs; but you have to run all the rest of the stock equipment, right?

01-18-2009, 05:22 PM	#19
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly There is a specific edelbrock part number for the NHRA legal heads which is #60057. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...ads/nhra.shtml They are like the performer RPMs but have no additional touch-up or port work done to them. There is an NHRA logo stamped on them too. __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

01-19-2009, 01:07 AM	#20
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,103 Times in 301 Posts	Re: making the galaxie fly Also, the Edelbrock castings for the 352 & 390 have the smaller sized valves than the Edelbrock 428CJ heads use. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang