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[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by RJ

No, that's comparing apples to oranges - a crime could bring harm or even worse death to an individual. I'm talking about engine parts here, we'll have to agree to disagree, because the bogus parts have gone too far, and you'll have a hard time convincing anyone to go back to the pre 1985 rulebook and have throw away all their "stock" parts and start over.

Not really. The bogus parts harm the sport. Your solution is to make them legal and let everyone buy them. That is precisely why Stock is where it is today. In the past, every time a new part has been slipped in illegally, rather than stop it, NHRA has allowed it. Well, where has that gotten us?

Further, your "solution" is to make Stock even worse than it already is. And you call that "saving" Stock? How? If you make Stock even less Stock, how does that "save" Stock? It doesn't, it makes Stock into something else entirely.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Not really. The bogus parts harm the sport. Your solution is to make them legal and let everyone buy them. That is precisely why Stock is where it is today. In the past, every time a new part has been slipped in illegally, rather than stop it, NHRA has allowed it. Well, where has that gotten us?

Further, your "solution" is to make Stock even worse than it already is. And you call that "saving" Stock? How? If you make Stock even less Stock, how does that "save" Stock? It doesn't, it makes Stock into something else entirely.

The bogus stuff is already in motors, and it ain't coming out. What I suggested makes it a lot easier to tech, and the associations won't consider stock as much of a "thorn in the side". Unless you can get a majority of stock racers to "turn back the clock", a whole new association with real "stock" rules is the only way to do what you want to do.

To switch gears a little bit, but somewhat related - Clutchless transmissions are allowed in Super Stock now, why do you think that is?, and if you know, how are you going to fight something like that?

[SuperStockDodge]

To switch gears a little bit, but somewhat related - Clutchless transmissions are allowed in Super Stock now, why do you think that is?, and if you know, how are you going to fight something like that?[/QUOTE]

And where is this "updated" rule change for everyone to see???

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by RJ

The bogus stuff is already in motors, and it ain't coming out. What I suggested makes it a lot easier to tech, and the associations won't consider stock as much of a "thorn in the side". Unless you can get a majority of stock racers to "turn back the clock", a whole new association with real "stock" rules is the only way to do what you want to do.

To switch gears a little bit, but somewhat related - Clutchless transmissions are allowed in Super Stock now, why do you think that is?, and if you know, how are you going to fight something like that?

They'll still consider Stock a problem. They do not want to tech for Stock at all. You're still having them tech with your "solution" and they don't want to. So your "solution" still requires them to tech, which they do not want to do, and only serves to further dilute the class.

Nice pun on the clutchless deal. As to my thoughts on clutchless transmissions in Super Stock, I'm not really in favor of it, although I have a couple of older friends it will help. The truth is, we all know people are using clutch assisted transmissions like a clutchless box. How do you fight it? That goes back to the rest of the problem with NHRA.

I'm not looking to "turn back the clock", as nice as that might be. It probably is neither possible nor feasible, as things stand. But we can make an effort to stop the progression. If we don't, we might just as well pack it in now and go bracket racing. If you keep diluting it, we might just as well never open the hood anymore.

[SS Engine Guy]

The whole idea of "enhancements", and loosening of the rules starts when you are afraid to enforce the rules. Instead of a year off it has been the fashion to write a rule revision making the illegal parts legal. That is the sign of influence. (read that however you want).

The whole basis of S/SS has always been to take the rules and work within them to see how fast you can go. Not change the rules to pacify someone or some group who intimidates you.

Two "groups" have been solely responsible for this. Neither group can work on their own stuff enough to get under the index much less be fast. However, these two groups may have not been able to accomplish what they have if it weren't for the added support of the "hero worshipers" that think that anything their heros do is right.