Congrats to Charles Blossom

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

OK Ed -- Entertain us -- if you were the "Head Honcho" in the NHRA Tech Dept and this combo came across your desk - what's your next move ? Remember , just because his last combo may have been killer should you punish him from the Git-Go ?

Nothing.Until he goes STUPID fast.Then the WHOLE drive train gets torn and measured,weighed and analyzed.Next,I'm sure NHRA can find,hire,whatever,someone with knowledge AND common sense to hit the combo with the appropriate HP.After that they follow his runs and see if the HP was appropriate,by checking ET/MPH.Not easy to do but better than doing what they're doing now.
This might make your GTO competitive again with the run away trains called DPs.
Is that entertaining enough?
And the idea of putting these new rockets in some sort of FX classes would go a long ways towards making heads up races more competitive.
Not a direct comparison but look at the Hemi Shootout.I'm not saying Wescott's stuff is bogus but he had over .10 on the field.Most qualified around 8.60-8.65.
If they didn't break their stuff it probably would have been a runaway.Instead it was one of the most enjoyable Shootouts ever.A lot of close races.
Do the same with these new cars in stock and I think you will see the same result.
Jack,in light of your ties to the people in Glendora we'll never agree on a fix,you have your position and I have mine.

[Dwight Southerland]

[QUOTE=Jack Matyas;207711]Dwight -- Mockery ?? Maybe but i'm OK with it -- he found it and I didn't -- wish I did -- it was there for anyone to find and run and he had big enough kahoonas to spend his money and build it .Good for him ! !
/QUOTE]
Maybe you missed the gist of my comment, Jack. It was not directed toward Charles or his work to find the combination; it was directed to NHRA and the way they have selected to deal with power factoring. They have attempted to take human judgment (and responsibility) out of the method and so they do not personally engage the process. You and I have seen the time when Farmer would have walked into the pits and changed classes for such a performance. NHRA's claiming that their AHFS is "protecting and insuring" equitable competition is a mockery of their claims to be so dedicated to the preservation of Sportsman racing. Let those other guys in D/FS testify.

In my first post, I alluded to many more such stars in the tech books, and I will applaude anyone who takes the leap to build one of those cars. However, as MLK stated, "Justice to long delayed is justice denied." and the AHFS will do just that. How many years at a 3 1/2% increase per pop will it take to make D/SA (or many others that are being abused by the factory takeover, and including D/FS) a level playing field again?

[art leong]

[QUOTE=Dwight Southerland;207930]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Dwight -- Mockery ?? Maybe but i'm OK with it -- he found it and I didn't -- wish I did -- it was there for anyone to find and run and he had big enough kahoonas to spend his money and build it .Good for him ! !
/QUOTE]
Maybe you missed the gist of my comment, Jack. It was not directed toward Charles or his work to find the combination; it was directed to NHRA and the way they have selected to deal with power factoring. They have attempted to take human judgment (and responsibility) out of the method and so they do not personally engage the process. You and I have seen the time when Farmer would have walked into the pits and changed classes for such a performance. NHRA's claiming that their AHFS is "protecting and insuring" equitable competition is a mockery of their claims to be so dedicated to the preservation of Sportsman racing. Let those other guys in D/FS testify.

In my first post, I alluded to many more such stars in the tech books, and I will applaude anyone who takes the leap to build one of those cars. However, as MLK stated, "Justice to long delayed is justice denied." and the AHFS will do just that. How many years at a 3 1/2% increase per pop will it take to make D/SA (or many others that are being abused by the factory takeover, and including D/FS) a level playing field again?

Dwight. While I agree with you about most of the old days guys using common sense.
There was some vindictiveness used back then. Remember when pro stock had engine advantages, wheelbase advantages, Etc. Jenkins had a crying towel that would put most street racers to shame
And do you really want the "twits" in Glendora deciding things from their vast experience in stock and superstock.
I'd like to see the AHFS changed a bit to include corrected altitude. And any car that gets an instant hit should be torn down.
But it's better than the "dart board" method

[Run to Rund]

The "next" issue will relate to altitude. A supercharged or turbocharged engine loses 0.5% of its power per 1000 ft. elevation, as a rule of thumb. Normally aspirated engines lose 3% per 1000 ft., again a rule of thumb. See the advantage at higher altitude tracks?

[bill dedman]

I don't disgree with any of what I see here, but I think there's a tendency toward making this problem with superior performances from turbocharged cars more complicated that it is.

My opinion, for what it's worth, (and that may not be much, admittedly) is that increased boost levels are the culprit at ANY altitude, and they can be monitored and controlled through the use of an NHRA-mandated TELLTALE boost gauge. All NHRA tech needs, is information from the car manufacturer as to what boost was present when the engine was dyno-tested for factory rating, and when the car comes in after a qualifying run or a run in competition for his weight/fuel check, the NHRA tech looks at the telltale needle to see if the amount of boost exceeds the mandated limit. If it does, the car can't compete and that run is scrubbed.

This is not my idea.... I have read online, that Subaru sponsors a road race series that uses an onboard telltale boost gauge on ALL the cars (they're all turbocharged) in competition ffor monitoring boost levels.

This does nothing at all for the DP/Mustang problem, but one thing at a time....

Thanks for listening.