Red light survey

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Here we go again Bill.First off your car still has a BRACKET number on it.Second show me what's biased in the wording on the poll.
The poll is running at 72% for status quo and 28% for change.I guess when it isn't going your way it's one sided.

How about this: "This lopsided rule has been screwing the first car to leave for 48 years; isn't it time we FIXED the problem, since we now CAN?"

I didn't see anything worded like THAT in the poll.

That is the flip side of
"WTF Let's concentrate on the REAL problems;" implying very strongly, that this existing situation is NOT a REAL PROBLEM.


It's a HUGE problem, mainly, because it's so unnecessary.

My Jouralism professor in college spent a whole week on semantics, and how they skew the outcome of so-called "POLLS." Your poll is a texbook case in "leading the respondent."


What does my Bracket car have to do with this, anyway? They won't fix the problem at the local track until it gets fixed in NHRA racing.

If you don't want non Class-Racer folks responding (voting) on your poll. post it on the board that is for Class Racers only. This board is for everyone.... remember?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

How about this: "This lopsided rule has been screwing the first car to leave for 48 years; isn't it time we FIXED the problem, since we now CAN?"

I didn't see anything worded like THAT in the poll.

That is the flip side of
"WTF Let's concentrate on the REAL problems;" implying very strongly, that this existing situation is NOT a REAL PROBLEM.


It's a HUGE problem, mainly, because it's so unnecessary.

My Jouralism professor in college spent a whole week on semantics, and how they skew the outcome of so-called "POLLS." Your poll is a texbook case in "leading the respondent."


What does my Bracket car have to do with this, anyway? They won't fix the problem at the local track until it gets fixed in NHRA racing.

If you don't want non Class-Racer folks responding (voting) on your poll. post it on the board that is for Class Racers only. This board is for everyone.... remember?

maybe its finally sinking in. To most class racers, there are MUCH bigger issues. And as I have said many times over stock and ss are not the test bed for this new rule. If it is going to be don, how about trying it in the NHRA Summit Bracket series, you know, where BRACKET racers race. If it were successful there, then it could migrate over. you are not talking about a "stock/ss"issue" you're talking about an issue for all of bracket racing. since you think everyone should be for this, why don't you start a grass roots movement among your peers (read: bracket racers) and see if you can get it changed over there. But please, for the love of God, let us class racers deal with issues that actually have to do with our classes and are important to us.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

How about this: "This lopsided rule has been screwing the first car to leave for 48 years; isn't it time we FIXED the problem, since we now CAN?"

I didn't see anything worded like THAT in the poll.

That is the flip side of
"WTF Let's concentrate on the REAL problems;" implying very strongly, that this existing situation is NOT a REAL PROBLEM.


It's a HUGE problem, mainly, because it's so unnecessary.

My Jouralism professor in college spent a whole week on semantics, and how they skew the outcome of so-called "POLLS." Your poll is a texbook case in "leading the respondent."


What does my Bracket car have to do with this, anyway? They won't fix the problem at the local track until it gets fixed in NHRA racing.

If you don't want non Class-Racer folks responding (voting) on your poll. post it on the board that is for Class Racers only. This board is for everyone.... remember?

Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer.Do what Chad said and lobby NHRA for the change in the bracket program.
You can respond with suggestions and I can counter them.Yoy're not being muffled,just remember what you suggest affects others not you.Go on the Bracket section and make
all the suggestions you want,for the type of racing YOU DO.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer.Do what Chad said and lobby NHRA for the change in the bracket program.
You can respond with suggestions and I can counter them.Yoy're not being muffled,just remember what you suggest affects others not you.Go on the Bracket section and make
all the suggestions you want,for the type of racing YOU DO.

Eddie, Be nice .Remember, this section is for fans too.
Without a few fans, ....... ya got nuttin'

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Eddie, Be nice .Remember, this section is for fans too.
Without a few fans, ....... ya got nuttin'

Mark if you were a baseball player and the fans said you had to give all the lousy teams a fourth out every inning what would you think?That's what his "opinions" add up to.Think about it.
I don't go on the bracket section and try to meddle in their business.In the early 90s when electronics went wild in bracket racing I did'nt like it.Voiced my opinion.Didn't change anything.I stopped racing till I started in Stock.Now the crap is starting up again

[Sean Kennedy]

Ed,

I don't know why you are specifically calling me out. I'm not one of the poeple constantly harping on this particular rule. I think it makes sense to change it, but have never gone around making that case to anyone. I really don't care.

I've almost always had a slower car and have done plenty well with the rules the way they are, and it makes no difference to me one way or the other.

LOL@Bob Gullet

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Mark if you were a baseball player and the fans said you had to give all the lousy teams a fourth out every inning what would you think?That's what his "opinions" add up to.Think about it.
I don't go on the bracket section and try to meddle in their business.In the early 90s when electronics went wild in bracket racing I did'nt like it.Voiced my opinion.Didn't change anything.I stopped racing till I started in Stock.Now the crap is starting up again

Eddie My Love, (Teen Queens, 1958)

Your baseball analogy is not working for me.

You remember when you used to go to Yankee Stadium as a wee lad, when the pitcher had to take the plate or leave the game. That was replaced by the DH rule in 1973.
Whether you agree or not, it was put into place for the betterment of the sport (or so they thought) I'm not about to place a poll on it here, but I bet I could pose the questions to skew the results any way I wanted.

Swing away,....



(BTW, The late, great Lee Sherman was the one who said that the concept of Super Gas was like giving an inferior team four outs to an inning)

[bill dedman]

[QUOTE=.Bill you're a BRACKET RACER not a class racer. Tell me the difference in the waay I am treated on the starting line, with regard to red lights.. Please.
Is there any difference?

If there is, tell me what it is. If I'm the slower car, and leave first, if I red light, the second car to leave gets a free ride to the next round. Is that any different for you?

I don't think so.

So, the fact that I'm running a Bracket car and you're running a Class car makes no difference at all; we both get screwed by the same, lopsided, rule.

You and I both got a chance to red light, and he did not.

This makes NO sense... Everybody should have the same chance at a red light.

The way it is, the second car is prevented from having his chance, if either you or I red light, first.

Tell me: 1. How that is in any way, fair, and 2. what diference it makes if I'm a Bracket Racer or a Class Racer; we both suffer the same fate.




I'm listening.

[Ed Fernandez]

Very simple.You have your rules to follow when bracket racing and we have ours as class
racers.I'm not stopping you from petitioning NHRA,IHRA or whoever from getting the rule changed for BRACKET RACING.

If anyone here thinks my reasoning is wrong please tell me.I'm tired of getting through to this guy.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Very simple.You have your rules to follow when bracket racing and we have ours as class
racers.I'm not stopping you from petitioning NHRA,IHRA or whoever from getting the rule changed for BRACKET RACING.

If anyone here thinks my reasoning is wrong please tell me.I'm tired of getting through to this guy.

Ed why are you bothering with all this. You know they aren't going to change anything. That is why I haven't got interested in this. Let those that want to knock temselves out.
Have some fun in the lounge.