Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by JHeath

Sorry, you were right, I checked my facts. You've only posted six times in this thread that the new cars can't be registered at the DMV or don't have VINs or are factory built race cars or go against the premise of Stock Eliminator or are making old cars obsolete or whatever your argument is. I'm sure everybody understood you the first time.

If you don't hate these new cars, why are you wasting so much time writing up essays on how they don't deserve to be in Stock?

LOL So true Jerry, I am pretty sure he has been carrying on with this endless drivel for a year or longer. I think he was even quoted in an article on Competition Plus about a year ago covering the topic.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

LOL So true Jerry, I am pretty sure he has been carrying on with this endless drivel for a year or longer. I think he was even quoted in an article on Competition Plus about a year ago covering the topic.

Endless drivel? Really? Unlike you, I actually work on two cars for a customer who has to compete directly with the new cars. Competition Plus called me and did an interview.

The very best you have is childish name calling, you have nothing at all to add to the discussion. Mostly because you have nothing even remotely factual to back up anything you say. How helpful and mature you are.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Endless drivel? Really? Unlike you, I actually work on two cars for a customer who has to compete directly with the new cars. Competition Plus called me and did an interview.

The very best you have is childish name calling, you have nothing at all to add to the discussion. Mostly because you have nothing even remotely factual to back up anything you say. How helpful and mature you are.

First of all Alan I havent called you any name other than Alan. No name caling from me I out grew that a long time ago. If I remember right I posted 5th in this thread and made a general statement about times changing, that I liked the old cars and that it is expensive to class race no matter what car you bring to the table, all of which are true statements. Then you came a long and started in on me about how I dont get it and I will never understand because I dont race a stocker(how mature is that?), and how its not like it was 40 years ago. You Know what Alan? You are right, It isnt like it was 40 years ago and that is exactly what I said. You need to get over that fact and yourself.
Here are the facts: the game has changed like it or not. It may change back to the way it used to be, or it may stay the same. You can change with it or you can retire and throw fits on the message boards and in the end there will still be drag racing and more than likely stock eliminator will be a part of that........it just may not be like you want it to be.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

First of all Alan I havent called you any name other than Alan. No name caling from me I out grew that a long time ago. If I remember right I posted 5th in this thread and made a general statement about times changing, that I liked the old cars and that it is expensive to class race no matter what car you bring to the table, all of which are true statements. Then you came a long and started in on me about how I dont get it and I will never understand because I dont race a stocker(how mature is that?), and how its not like it was 40 years ago. You Know what Alan? You are right, It isnt like it was 40 years ago and that is exactly what I said. You need to get over that fact and yourself.
Here are the facts: the game has changed like it or not. It may change back to the way it used to be, or it may stay the same. You can change with it or you can retire and throw fits on the message boards and in the end there will still be drag racing and more than likely stock eliminator will be a part of that........it just may not be like you want it to be.

Read the post I replied to again, and see if you can pick out the tone and personal insults. Just like this message, where you accuse people of "throwing fits". That's all you've got, no facts, just attempts to insult.

Together with my customer, we worked for 4 years to develop a competitive car, only to have NHRA pencil his $60K plus investment right into obsolescence. You go right ahead and tell me how well you understand that. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it's you. Good luck with that.

No, we won't be quitting, we won't be retiring, and we won't be silenced, certainly not by people who have no dog in the fight. Sorry to disappoint you. But guys like Bruce, Mark, Billy, Greg Hill, and I will go right on stating the facts, and making the case for what we know is right. If that bothers you, too bad, ignore it, or live with it. It makes no difference to us. We'll fight for what we believe in, for the good of the sport.

[Bob Pagano]

Alan is not alone on this board, there are many.

[Ed Wright]

Only "things changing" are the bogus hp factors applied to some new cars. Fix that and nobody cares what brand or year model they happen to be. A lot of the guys that bought them suddenly became fast and thinks it's fine. Others (already had fast cars) are open about them being bogus and actually tell what % their throttles are open. 69% to 75% are very popular numbers. Others say they are "simply playing the game".

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Alan is not alone on this board, there are many.

Some are more vocal than others for sure, but yes there are many. Seems like every other thread on here has some mention of "paper" cars, crate motor cars or bogus factors etc.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Read the post I replied to again, and see if you can pick out the tone and personal insults. Just like this message, where you accuse people of "throwing fits". That's all you've got, no facts, just attempts to insult.

Together with my customer, we worked for 4 years to develop a competitive car, only to have NHRA pencil his $60K plus investment right into obsolescence. You go right ahead and tell me how well you understand that. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it's you. Good luck with that.

No, we won't be quitting, we won't be retiring, and we won't be silenced, certainly not by people who have no dog in the fight. Sorry to disappoint you. But guys like Bruce, Mark, Billy, Greg Hill, and I will go right on stating the facts, and making the case for what we know is right. If that bothers you, too bad, ignore it, or live with it. It makes no difference to us. We'll fight for what we believe in, for the good of the sport.

I read it again Alan......nope still dont see where I called you a name only stated what I see. I am glad to see that you dont plan on retiring that is a good thing. So at this point what do you and said car owner do? (I assume you are talking about Kevin) Do you change with the game?? Do you keep spending his money and beating on a combo that is no longer competitive?? Do you wait for the rules to change back in your favor??
It doesnt bother me that you make a case for what you feel is right, I guess I just find myself wondering at what point it becomes futile to waste the effort bitching about something that you havent changed in a years worth of "Making your case"
I would never try and guess what the powers at NHRA might do in the future but as for now it appears they have made the decision and it doesnt bode well for your case.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I read it again Alan......nope still dont see where I called you a name only stated what I see. I am glad to see that you dont plan on retiring that is a good thing. So at this point what do you and said car owner do? (I assume you are talking about Kevin) Do you change with the game?? Do you keep spending his money and beating on a combo that is no longer competitive?? Do you wait for the rules to change back in your favor??
It doesnt bother me that you make a case for what you feel is right, I guess I just find myself wondering at what point it becomes futile to waste the effort bitching about something that you havent changed in a years worth of "Making your case"
I would never try and guess what the powers at NHRA might do in the future but as for now it appears they have made the decision and it doesnt bode well for your case.

It's his car. we'll keep working on it until he says otherwise. I seriously doubt he'll spend $75K to start over from scratch. I sure wouldn't.

What concern is it of yours to begin with? Seriously. There's something we have to wonder about. Since you do not race Stock Eliminator, exactly what is it that concerns you? Since you want to bring up futility.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

It's his car. we'll keep working on it until he says otherwise. I seriously doubt he'll spend $75K to start over from scratch. I sure wouldn't.

What concern is it of yours to begin with? Seriously. There's something we have to wonder about. Since you do not race Stock Eliminator, exactly what is it that concerns you? Since you want to bring up futility.

No real concern I just asked a legitimate question and you gave me an answer, Thanks. In all of this banter back and forth with you I find it funny how in the end all you can come up with is to throw the fact up that I don't race stock, you have done it on several occasions, like that some how makes me beneath you. It really doesn't matter what I race, I am a drag racer and I happen to love class racing. I have raced stock before. I am a member of NHRA, have a competition license and a competition number. I have been on this board since 2006 and while I don't post often, when I am quoted I will respond with what I have to say.
The only thing that concerned me in this is like I said earlier: you started in on me after post 5 because I go against what some of you feel about the current state of stock racing and it has become your mission to disagree with all that go against that and get that message out. I hear your message Alan, but like I said the only part I agree with is that times have changed.