Cheating

[G Schenck]

Originally Posted by FlyingW

Hey Ed,

Just for the record I run right off the footbrake in my stocker and my RT average fro 3 years is a .019 with 1 red and 1 perfect light so I am I cheating nope I just know how to hit the tree and thats that so HAVE A NICE DAY...................


Jeremy Waibel
NHRA B/SA 2231

Jeremy, do you know people can see how you did the last three years. Please add them up again.
You might be close to a .070 in NHRA competition.

Greg

[herbjr]

Beard you doubled so you must be cheating!!!!


Herb Jr

[Joe DeMarzo]

How do we find our RT??

[G Schenck]

Joe , you can go to archives in DRC and get it if you go past the second round. And if you didn't go to the third round then it would suggest you didn't do so good.

Greg

[Robert Pare Racing]

Ed, is there ever a time when the sky isn't falling?..IAAAYBWOW.

[tgriffith]

yep,,that the one thing you have to be carefull when class racing,,,,,you can say your good,,,,,we all can see just how good

here is the link for me,,,,I really didnt think I sucked this bad,,,but the stats dont lie,,,,,,really,,Im not as bad as the results let on,,,,I seem to have that "deer in the headlite look" whenever Im at a national ,,,,My wife told me the last time out,,she was going to knock on the window and scream "GO!!!!"


but seriously,,,,,if you guys check it out....look at the quick rod stats on me,,,,it was funny as hell,,,,,,,,no throttle stop in a car thats runs 4.90`s in the 1/8------stumbled around and nearly won that thing


http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCRe...s=&Match=Exact


go to www.dragracecentral.com-------look at the top in small letters "advanced search"-------either type in persons name,,,car number,,,,or other info that would identify and you can see about everything they did,,,,especially the nationals...........I used this search aid all the time to see who Im talking to,,,check on stats of cars Im interested in buying that "supposedly run 1.2 under????",,,,,its a great tool,,,,,they are getting better everyday,,,,a few years back,,you couldnt really see the divsionals,,,,,,especially Ihra,,,,now they are posting nearly every race,,,,,,,,,,,just go to the sportsman stats lower on the page and start looking


you know..a .019 average should win you a bunch of rounds

[tgriffith]

Joe,,here`s your stats,,,,,,



http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCRe...=Adv&x=128&y=5

nice job on the lites at atco !!! .01714 average


mike beard carried a .029 average in the first race at jackson,,,,and a .023 average for the second race,,,,,only could see the last 4 rounds at each one,,,,,,,BUT Im sure mike will tell you the same,,,,you carry a .019 average,,,should be winning some cash,,,,,if your not,,,,you may have done something to make the Race Gods very angry--------On the otherhand,,,got to have luck,,,,,its not neccesarily what lites you have,,,,its when you have them

[Michael Beard]

>> Beard you doubled so you must be cheating!!!!

Sure as h*ll wasn't on the starting line! I was junk this weekend. Great car, actually remembered how to drive the stripe against the fast cars, and had a lot of luck. But MAN, appreciate it Herb! Everybody always accuses the same guys of cheating all the time. Always wondered what I had to do to get that "compliment"! LOL

That was more .040 lights in a weekend than I could remember... Jackson was 'loose' for me last year, too. I actually had an .052 3rd round against Roland, but something happened and he got zeroes on the scoreboard and timeslip for an ET, so we had to re-run. I said, "Great! I don't want that light on my record!" My stats aren't as good as they used to be, as the Volare reacts about .03 slower than my Duster and Terry's Dart Sport. It's been... challenging. I'd say Jackson's rollout is about .02 slower than Piedmont's, too.

>> you carry a .019 average,,,should be winning some cash

You should be winning more than just cash with an average like that. The year I footbraked in Super/Pro, I averaged an .017 in that class. My season average in the footbrake classes from 1994 to 2004 was between .021 and .025, with round-win percentages from 79-83%. Unless you're in a Box class, then yes, reaction time generally is tied to wins.

Unless you're Scott Macy, who has arguably driven the best of anybody in class this year, but has been a magnet for finding the guy in the other lane with a double-oh package. They did it two him twice this weekend! Sheesh.

>> the question about why they don't allow Two-steps in no box racing ?

They do allow two-steps in No-Box racing, which is transbrake/2-step, like Super Stock. They do not allow 2-steps in Footbrake racing. People probably didn't answer the question earlier because it didn't make any sense.

[Ron Middleton]

Ed,
Some tracks do allow it. Our local track here doesn't because some winning racers didn't want to lose their advantage. It had nothing to do with cheating because they aren't up enough on how to cheat in that area. The one racer they all think is cheatiing is just a really good racer and has won just as many races with his wife's personal Durango as he has with either his footbrake or electronics bracket car. He also won several heads up big tire racers by treeing the hell out of racers that had much faster cars. He is a smart racer and uses his head and talent to win. He recently won Super Gas at a Division 4 points meet. He is a good guy but is very competitive and not liked by some mainly because he is such a serious competitor.
I do know there is cheating/rule bending/gray area advantages that some racers are participating. Hell, that's part of it. I sell parts to help racers go faster and they often look to me to help them gain an advantage. All part of the game, it's in every form of competition.
I look for every bit of power and way to be faster, more consistent and better every week that rolls by. It's just the way I am I just wish I had a bigger budget to work with..

[PONCHO POWER]

For kicks and giggles I went back to 2005, (also included is the 2004 world finals at the Rock) the last year my brother raced before his mini-retirement. In national events (IHRA) he had 42 total lights that I could find on DRC with 1 red. His average was .0229 this doesn't include the divisionals (5 in total) in which he won 2. I would say his average with those included is probably a little lower. He had 5 lights over .037 and 23 lights under .020. It is possible to have stellar lights without cheating, it is called PRACTICE. He would hit the practice tree hundreds if not thousands of times a week. He knew what every little adjustment on the car would do for his reaction times. I think he's working on returning some time next season (took time off to stay home with his baby boy) Look out another Mitchell in the world!