Locking 'Em Up

[Dave Noll]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

This Best Package races are running here in Az

.500 Sportsman (full) tree
2 time runs, 3 competition rounds
Heads-up start with dial-in
Best Single Run package wins
For run to count – green light, and no break out
Tie-breakers: 1 – most counted passes, 2 – average package
Transbrake – permitted
Open to all vehicles that pass 1320′ NHRA tech
Delay Box & Throttle Stop – must be zero’d out or removed
Payouts:

They have been running a "package attack" gambler at the bracket finals, for years, up in this corner of the U.S.

[Rick Schilling]

I also think "best package" would make things even more confusing for the casual spectator than they already are.

On the other hand, I suppose that doesn't include a lot of people anyway.

[Mike Pearson]

We are already racing best package. Just staggered start instead of staggering finish. Best package will always win.

[Jeff Stout]

Best package competes against all racers each time and not just the racer in the other lane. So basically we're are racing best package.

[Lenny5160]

What if you get a big random gust of wind during your run? It impacts both you and the guy in the other lane, but not the people that run in the other pairs.

Dialing is a skill, but there are so many more variables out of your control than there are on the starting line. That's why driving skill is so important. I wouldn't be interested in a race where it isn't a factor.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

What if you get a big random gust of wind during your run? It impacts both you and the guy in the other lane, but not the people that run in the other pairs.

Dialing is a skill, but there are so many more variables out of your control than there are on the starting line. That's why driving skill is so important. I wouldn't be interested in a race where it isn't a factor.

In today's bracket world when a gust of wind came, what would you do? It should be the same answer as best package racing. If you want to still dial soft and whack the brakes and see what your ET will be that's fine also. Just don't make smoke. I think best package racing and sliding car at finish line over time will make you a better predictor of your ET.

[HawkBrosMav]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

What if you get a big random gust of wind during your run? It impacts both you and the guy in the other lane, but not the people that run in the other pairs.

Dialing is a skill, but there are so many more variables out of your control than there are on the starting line. That's why driving skill is so important. I wouldn't be interested in a race where it isn't a factor.

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

What if you get a big random gust of wind during your run? It impacts both you and the guy in the other lane, but not the people that run in the other pairs.

Dialing is a skill, but there are so many more variables out of your control than there are on the starting line. That's why driving skill is so important. I wouldn't be interested in a race where it isn't a factor.

Lenny this happens now.. I don't see how this is any different. You dial on your pass the best you can.. you may have a strategy that you don't "dial hard" and hope the other guy runs his race in a manner that you can lift in relation to him and stay over.. or he may run under more than you depending on the circumstances.. but you're guessing your dial based on the conditions at the last possible moment you are allowed to change dials. Only difference would be you have to guess for your conditions better than half the field did on their conditions not just the guy in the other lane. We all race with sometime similar conditions the entire round to drastically different, but we still have to get our dial close for our single pass.

With the current state of Stock Eliminator you could have a pair dialed about 8.00 all the way to like 16.00 (rounding for ease of illustration).. that means the slower guy has 8 seconds of track time where said gust of wind could come up and affect him where the fast guy is sitting stationary. With your argument the slow guy isn't getting a fair shot..

again I wouldn't want this racing to become the norm by any means but to look down upon the idea because it's different and not what we do is ignoring how similar it already is to what were doing.. I mean you could even make it more similar to what we do and just run a heads up start with a staggered finish with all other rules remaining the same as we have them now. 2 stage one comes back then literally the only difference is the heads up start vs staggered start.. eliminates the finish line games while keeping the race most similar to what we have now. I'm open to a few races a year in one of these formats but not this changing the norm..

Brad

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

Lenny this happens now.. I don't see how this is any different.

I see it as very different. In the typical 1-on-1 scenario, my opponent and I need to deal with the exact same conditions. The next pair may have their own unique challenges to deal with, but they both have the same challenges.

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

With the current state of Stock Eliminator you could have a pair dialed about 8.00 all the way to like 16.00 (rounding for ease of illustration).. that means the slower guy has 8 seconds of track time where said gust of wind could come up and affect him where the fast guy is sitting stationary. With your argument the slow guy isn't getting a fair shot..

I wouldn't say what's happening to the slow guy there is unfair, but there is no doubt he made things more difficult for himself with his choice of combination.

That isn't to say that slow cars can't have success, and I like to see it.


Anyway, the whole fun of racing (for me) is what's happening going down the track in an elimination run. How did I feel on the tree? Everything feels/sounds good with the car? Where's he at? How's he coming? Where's the finish line? Is he going to get inside my window? Where's the finish line? If hitting the brakes is the move, where is my braking point?

That might all be in 4.6 seconds. Good stuff!

Hitting the tree and then holding my foot to the floor while praying I did my figures correctly just doesn't compare.

The shootouts for Super-class cars at divisionals is fun. See if you can be one of the top-8 on the index in a time run. It's a fun sideshow as long as we're making time runs anyway. Actually racing that way would take away far too much of the experience, for me. My opinion only, and worth what you paid for it.

[Rick Schilling]

One of the things that is making this discussion difficult (regarding best packages) is the question... Are winners and losers determined by individual matchups, by the round, or for the entire event (as suggested earlier)?

[rognelson777]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

We are already racing best package. Just staggered start instead of staggering finish. Best package will always win.

the thread start was about excessive braking. heads up start takes finishline racing out of the picture. it also makes worst redlight the loser.. you could also make running under not a penalty. make it closest to dial and reaction time total.