Factory experimental - Page 5

Bruce Noland · 01-16-2009, 09:13 AM

Chuck,
As I remember you were the one doing all the mega-complaining about those cars when they came out! And you're still complaining about them; after all these years.

You can bet we'll be on the 2010 Corvette too. This is not about OEM favorites it's about the OEM's abusing the Stock category - with nhra's help and gratitude of course.

Jim Bailey · 01-16-2009, 09:18 AM

How's this for a new NHRA/IHRA Stock Eliminator Rule. Beginning at Pomona 2009, ANY PURPOSE BUILT CAR, ( that's what NHRA call's 'em, We call them PAPER CARS.) Will be limited to only (1) one Stock Eliminator Class; AA/S or AA/SA. This will include; ANY CAR with Factory installed lightweight components.ie: Alum. Front End Cars. ALSO, any cars with non - factory reproduction parts; ie; Edelbrock Heads. ALL 1965 Nascar 4 Barrel Hemi Cars. ALL Shelby Mustangs. ANY NEW purpose built factory race cars; including; The New Mustang. The Drag Pac Challenger. And the proposed Camaro.

Would this be fun or what? Let 'em Stand on the gas! It could be the SS/AH of Stock, plus it would de- contaminate current stock elim. from the sand baggers.

Greg Hill · 01-16-2009, 09:21 AM

Chuck I remember when the LT1's came out at 275 hp. Pontiac was the official NHRA car and they were capable of running a second under with a cam change , rear gear and headers. The reason NHRA had to make the fuel injected classes is that they wouldn't factor the engines properly. After 66 hp on the LT1's they are no better than a lot of combinations. My biggest concern with the new Ford and Chrysler cars is that they are factory built race cars and always before would be in Super stock, aka. the 68 Cuda's and Darts. If the LT1's were still at 275 hp you would be bitchin too. If these new cars are factored properly they will be out of stock eliminator because they won't fit because of the weight break.

Greg

Chuck Beach · 01-16-2009, 09:45 AM

Bruce,
You must be old like me, you need to check your memory, I don't recall complaining about them, I just raced against them ...

Tim Kish · 01-16-2009, 10:10 AM

Now look at it this way. The first year with a new engine/vehicle combo that comes out underfactored will be tough on existing cars in their class - nothing to debate. BUT look at the fact that there are many of these cars being built so there will be a bunch of them running. With several cars being built there are going to be times or people that hang them out there and show what they can do. Someones ego will kick in becuase they wanna win class or another heads up pass - short list of people out there that actually will lift and give up the stripe to save index in Super Stock (we're not Comp racers). Just like the LT1 and LS motor cars - they'll right themselves within a couple seasons.

Look at the new combos as stimulating the racing economy - if its such an easy car to build and be competitive, a bunch will be built (just like the LT1/LS1 cars were) which supports race shops and parts suppliers - the same group of people we're all crying are not paying contingency. Heck if no new combos came around the race shops and parts suppliers would dry up if they weren't selling consumable items.

Chad Rhodes · 01-16-2009, 10:15 AM

guys. the 93 camaro/Firebird was rated by GM at 275, it gained 10 HP somewhere along the way (with the exception of the SS/Ram Air cars). The LS F bodys were factory rated at 305 for the non ram air cars. The SS and Ram Air cars DO carry extra HP. Those cars were rated at their factory ratings when introduced into stock eliminator

Bruce Noland · 01-16-2009, 10:27 AM

Chuck,

We are all getting older, but you must remember that we have been crossing paths for about 13 years now. You were not at all happy about those cars.

But those cars were nothing compared to the little Supercharged monsters that are about to come in and raid the cookie jar - with nhra's help of course. You can't compare these After Market Super Stockers with anything that we have seen before in Stock.

Let's wait' n see!!

Casey Miles · 01-16-2009, 10:58 AM

I as talking to some kids racing Subaru's this past weekend, they told me that they switched from C16 to E85 gas and pickup up 30HP. I know that we are on the subject of F/E cars. Well it's a good thing NHRA doesn't allow the Subaru's to race in stock. Is E85 gas allowed in stock? I'm not sure if it's a spec gas. If it is, the supercharged and turbo charged cars will go even faster then what is expected. The 4 door bone stock looking Subaru ran 10.82 @ 135 MPH granny shifting @ 3400 lbs. One of the kids told me that his ran in the low 9's and is street driven.
This tells you the potential of the Cobra's with the supercharger. The Subarus are 4 cylinders and a small turbo.
Casey Miles
248H E/S because of 4HP

Super Sport · 01-16-2009, 11:01 AM

You are now finding out the real reason AA/S and AA/SA classes were added to Stock. And you thought it was just so older Mopar and Vettes would have a place to race. For those who campaigned for the new class.......live with it. For others.......enjoy the new show because its going to get interesting.

Chad Rhodes · 01-16-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Sport

You are now finding out the real reason AA/S and AA/SA classes were added to Stock. And you thought it was just so older Mopar and Vettes would have a place to race. For those who campaigned for the new class.......live with it. For others.......enjoy the new show because its going to get interesting.

and just how were we supposed to forsee this happening

01-16-2009, 09:13 AM	#41
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Chuck, As I remember you were the one doing all the mega-complaining about those cars when they came out! And you're still complaining about them; after all these years. You can bet we'll be on the 2010 Corvette too. This is not about OEM favorites it's about the OEM's abusing the Stock category - with nhra's help and gratitude of course. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-16-2009, 09:18 AM	#42
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Factory experimental How's this for a new NHRA/IHRA Stock Eliminator Rule. Beginning at Pomona 2009, ANY PURPOSE BUILT CAR, ( that's what NHRA call's 'em, We call them PAPER CARS.) Will be limited to only (1) one Stock Eliminator Class; AA/S or AA/SA. This will include; ANY CAR with Factory installed lightweight components.ie: Alum. Front End Cars. ALSO, any cars with non - factory reproduction parts; ie; Edelbrock Heads. ALL 1965 Nascar 4 Barrel Hemi Cars. ALL Shelby Mustangs. ANY NEW purpose built factory race cars; including; The New Mustang. The Drag Pac Challenger. And the proposed Camaro. Would this be fun or what? Let 'em Stand on the gas! It could be the SS/AH of Stock, plus it would de- contaminate current stock elim. from the sand baggers.

01-16-2009, 09:21 AM	#43
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Chuck I remember when the LT1's came out at 275 hp. Pontiac was the official NHRA car and they were capable of running a second under with a cam change , rear gear and headers. The reason NHRA had to make the fuel injected classes is that they wouldn't factor the engines properly. After 66 hp on the LT1's they are no better than a lot of combinations. My biggest concern with the new Ford and Chrysler cars is that they are factory built race cars and always before would be in Super stock, aka. the 68 Cuda's and Darts. If the LT1's were still at 275 hp you would be bitchin too. If these new cars are factored properly they will be out of stock eliminator because they won't fit because of the weight break. Greg __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

01-16-2009, 09:45 AM	#44
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bruce, You must be old like me, you need to check your memory, I don't recall complaining about them, I just raced against them ... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

01-16-2009, 10:10 AM	#45
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Now look at it this way. The first year with a new engine/vehicle combo that comes out underfactored will be tough on existing cars in their class - nothing to debate. BUT look at the fact that there are many of these cars being built so there will be a bunch of them running. With several cars being built there are going to be times or people that hang them out there and show what they can do. Someones ego will kick in becuase they wanna win class or another heads up pass - short list of people out there that actually will lift and give up the stripe to save index in Super Stock (we're not Comp racers). Just like the LT1 and LS motor cars - they'll right themselves within a couple seasons. Look at the new combos as stimulating the racing economy - if its such an easy car to build and be competitive, a bunch will be built (just like the LT1/LS1 cars were) which supports race shops and parts suppliers - the same group of people we're all crying are not paying contingency. Heck if no new combos came around the race shops and parts suppliers would dry up if they weren't selling consumable items. __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS

01-16-2009, 10:15 AM	#46
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Factory experimental guys. the 93 camaro/Firebird was rated by GM at 275, it gained 10 HP somewhere along the way (with the exception of the SS/Ram Air cars). The LS F bodys were factory rated at 305 for the non ram air cars. The SS and Ram Air cars DO carry extra HP. Those cars were rated at their factory ratings when introduced into stock eliminator __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

01-16-2009, 10:27 AM	#47
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Chuck, We are all getting older, but you must remember that we have been crossing paths for about 13 years now. You were not at all happy about those cars. But those cars were nothing compared to the little Supercharged monsters that are about to come in and raid the cookie jar - with nhra's help of course. You can't compare these After Market Super Stockers with anything that we have seen before in Stock. Let's wait' n see!! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-16-2009, 10:58 AM	#48
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 703 Likes: 127 Liked 488 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Factory experimental I as talking to some kids racing Subaru's this past weekend, they told me that they switched from C16 to E85 gas and pickup up 30HP. I know that we are on the subject of F/E cars. Well it's a good thing NHRA doesn't allow the Subaru's to race in stock. Is E85 gas allowed in stock? I'm not sure if it's a spec gas. If it is, the supercharged and turbo charged cars will go even faster then what is expected. The 4 door bone stock looking Subaru ran 10.82 @ 135 MPH granny shifting @ 3400 lbs. One of the kids told me that his ran in the low 9's and is street driven. This tells you the potential of the Cobra's with the supercharger. The Subarus are 4 cylinders and a small turbo. Casey Miles 248H E/S because of 4HP

01-16-2009, 11:01 AM	#49
Super Sport Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 73 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Factory experimental You are now finding out the real reason AA/S and AA/SA classes were added to Stock. And you thought it was just so older Mopar and Vettes would have a place to race. For those who campaigned for the new class.......live with it. For others.......enjoy the new show because its going to get interesting.