Factory experimental

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Whether you like the new factory race cars or not, two things are going to happen that will benefit all stock racers. First, there is more media and fan exposure than I have seen in many years, which possibly means more help from the Aftermarket and Oem Manufacturers and Sponsors. Second, With a new fan base it will help to insure that Stock Eliminator will be much more healthy for many years to come. If the new cars are put in a different Eliminator then that Eliminator will get the media exposure. Think about it a minute, as they say be careful what you wish for , you may just get it.

Very well said. If one of these cars happen to be in a National event final and you are in the other lane,I think there is a good chance that you will be on ESPN2 LIVE.
If it happens to be a "heads up" final,you will get additional air time for being so far behind!

[GUMP]

The only thing that I really don't like is that some of you guys seem to think that these classes belong to the cars of the late sixties-early seventies. Through out the history of our eliminator there have always been new cars that have been built that have owned the qualifying. Most all of those combinations are still strong runners, but they don't dominate any more. It just takes time. If the line of thinking that some of you are proposing existed in the sixties do you really think that all of those hot rods would have been built? Remember that back then drag racing had a strong influence on what was being built. It just so happens that here in 2009 the factories have gotten nostalgic and are looking at our classes again.

I like the idea that you can buy a cost effective, non emission, no option, no air bag, etc. new car to run our classes. I hope that they offer up more of these cars. Especially if they build the cars that I looked at, but with production normally aspirated motors with production intakes etc.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Whether you like the new factory race cars or not, two things are going to happen that will benefit all stock racers. First, there is more media and fan exposure than I have seen in many years, which possibly means more help from the Aftermarket and Oem Manufacturers and Sponsors. Second, With a new fan base it will help to insure that Stock Eliminator will be much more healthy for many years to come. If the new cars are put in a different Eliminator then that Eliminator will get the media and fan exposure. Think about it a minute, as they say be careful what you wish for , you may just get it.

Well said. It's like I said before, give them their day in the sun. It is not 1969. It's cool to live in 2009 too.

[Billy Nees]

I wish that Garlits, The Grump, Glidden, Kalitta take your pick, were jumping in to race these cars . You are absolutely right about the exposure that it would generate. BUT I want to see them in "Production" cars!

[Evan Smith]

So a COPO 427 Camaro is a production car, available to the masses? Please. And it is OK to run a '98 LT-1-powered F-body (that never existed)? This is OK. No one seems to be able to answer why when GM "works" the system that it is alright, but Ford is evil for building a car that will bring the company exposure and hopefully sell cars on Monday.

Last time I checked, all the manufacturers played this game in the '60s and '70s. And many racers benefited from this. I can appreciate the hard work and years of research. If a new car came into my class I wouldn't be happy, but guess what, that's racing.

Evan

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I wish that Garlits, The Grump, Glidden, Kalitta take your pick, were jumping in to race these cars . You are absolutely right about the exposure that it would generate. BUT I want to see them in "Production" cars!

HA!! Yeah right!
Then the bitching would start that "they have more experience/money/already raced as a pro and this is sportsman/yaddayaddayadda.

I want to see how the 2010 fusion sport with AWD and a 355hp direct injected twin turbo engine is received! Let's say it's a E/SA, I can hear the whining now, ANOTHER FORD WITH AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!

The new cars are coming guys, in all classes, they put out lots of power with boost. They are factory available. If you make a new class for the mustangs and challengers, what about the cars that fall mid pack and "clean up" as everybody seems to think they will? What about a cobalt or focus that comes with a turbo and cleans up V/SA? Make a new Turbo/Supercharged class? A/Supercharged/Stock/Automatic?

How about change all the weight breaks and start off at 5.00 for A and go to Z/SA again? Then a 600hp car that weighs 3500lb's would have a place to play? There has got to be a better plan than "make a new class to exclude them" or snub the manufactures that have after all these years decided to recognize class racing. And to just keep adding letters doesn't work either. AAAAAAAA/SA ?? Those are the 2016 camaro's and mustangs that weigh 3200lb's and have 1100hp out of 4 valve twin cam compound turbo/supercharged AWD methanol injected 4 cyl...from the factory!

They're in the book, they get to play. AHFS will sort them out like it did everything else.

Again, how about change all the weight breaks and start off at 5.00 for A and go to Z/SA again? Your C/SA is now a G/SA with the same weight break?

[goinbroke2]

Oh and Billy, sorry if that sounded disrespectfull to you as it was not meant that way. I was speaking of others in general.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

So a COPO 427 Camaro is a production car, available to the masses? Please. And it is OK to run a '98 LT-1-powered F-body (that never existed)? This is OK. No one seems to be able to answer why when GM "works" the system that it is alright, but Ford is evil for building a car that will bring the company exposure and hopefully sell cars on Monday.

Last time I checked, all the manufacturers played this game in the '60s and '70s. And many racers benefited from this. I can appreciate the hard work and years of research. If a new car came into my class I wouldn't be happy, but guess what, that's racing.

Evan

I remember going to Sport Chevrolet and walking the car lot in 1969, There were 15 COPO Camaros of all colors with sticks and automatics in one area and 12 COPO 427 Chevelles arcoss the lot all for about $3600 each. The ZL-1's were at different dealerships (I saw 3 at 3 different dealers) in the Maryland area but at $7200 they were out of reach for the average guy but at least they sat on showroom floors for those that had the $$$$$$ to buy them. THATS why they are called "PRODUCTION" line cars. I bought a Corvette ($4200) instead (stupid me) and raced that for a few years. If only someone would invent a time machine so we could go back . That was at just ONE Chevy dealer and you didnt have to be a "SUPER STAR" to buy one or be a millionare either to finish setting it up. I think the REAL complaint is the SUPERCHARGER. Why didnt they build these cars without forced induction?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

HA!! Yeah right!
Then the bitching would start that "they have more experience/money/already raced as a pro and this is sportsman/yaddayaddayadda.

I want to see how the 2010 fusion sport with AWD and a 355hp direct injected twin turbo engine is received! Let's say it's a E/SA, I can hear the whining now, ANOTHER FORD WITH AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!

The new cars are coming guys, in all classes, they put out lots of power with boost. They are factory available. If you make a new class for the mustangs and challengers, what about the cars that fall mid pack and "clean up" as everybody seems to think they will? What about a cobalt or focus that comes with a turbo and cleans up V/SA? Make a new Turbo/Supercharged class? A/Supercharged/Stock/Automatic?

How about change all the weight breaks and start off at 5.00 for A and go to Z/SA again? Then a 600hp car that weighs 3500lb's would have a place to play? There has got to be a better plan than "make a new class to exclude them" or snub the manufactures that have after all these years decided to recognize class racing. And to just keep adding letters doesn't work either. AAAAAAAA/SA ?? Those are the 2016 camaro's and mustangs that weigh 3200lb's and have 1100hp out of 4 valve twin cam compound turbo/supercharged AWD methanol injected 4 cyl...from the factory!

They're in the book, they get to play. AHFS will sort them out like it did everything else.

Again, how about change all the weight breaks and start off at 5.00 for A and go to Z/SA again? Your C/SA is now a G/SA with the same weight break?

Changing the weight breaks makes more sense than sticking the Mustang in the present HP structure.
Alot of the older forbidden combos could then race in stock and I think that would be a good thing for all.
It will be wierd having a Mustang coming up on me at over 50 mph though.

Ed F.

[Jim Bailey]

Just an observation.....ALL the Nitro Classes and Alky Classes run Hemi's... I think the Hemi responds very well to forced induction. Go ahead Ford and open the box. The best is yet to come!! I can hear the crying now......Supercharged Hemi Challenger, gotta love it! (And if it get's factored out, you can put Alky in it and run Pro Mod.) Hey, maybe Toyota will get involved !!!!LMAO
I can see it now....THE Finals of Stock Eliminator at Las Vegas 2009. It's a Heads Up! The new 2009 AA/S Ford Mustang against John Shaul's New "1962" Plymouth Factory Light weight AA/SA. The lights... the camera's... all the TV hype...John Force watching from the starting line. OH NO! John Shaul turned up the wick! He goes 9.59 at 138.00!!!! OH my God, The New Factory Mustang can only muster a 9.70, The fans are stunned, John Force passes out! The GM of Ford gets fired.... And the New Post on Class Racer . Com says... Band all 1960's Muscle Cars!!! They have an unfair advantage! Way to much R&D. ( and of course, Ported Heads.)