Factory experimental

Ed Wright · 01-21-2009, 05:38 PM

If NHRA or IHRA wanted to, they could take one to a chassis dyno and see what they make at the tires. The LT1 and LS1 cars made more at the rear tires than the factory flywheel ratings. Should be off about 15% with a stick car. My everyday driver is an untouched '98 WS6 (ram air) LS1 automatic Trans Am convert. It makes 326 at the tires. A decent stick version makes closer to 340. What are they finally factored at now?? Even if they started off with the rwhp numbers, it would surely be closer than what Ford (or any mfgr) rates them.

Won't make everybody happy, but would be closer than advertised hp for sure. Could save a year or more with the AHFS handling it. Might cost somebody an hour's worth of time. You would want an untouched vehicle, not one that could have been de-tuned by the mfgr or racer before be presented for testing. NASCAR uses a Dynojet just like mine for spot testing cup cars after races to keep the different brands competitive with each other. Simplest thing it the world to do. The numbers can't be skewed by the operator as with many other brands.

goinbroke2 · 01-21-2009, 06:52 PM

Maybe nhra decided to drop them into Stock instead of coming out with a new F/X class because....well...mopar is now owned by fiat and basically broke and gm ain't far behind. The camaro was delayed because of an interior part couldn't be supplied because the supplier went bankrupt. When will the camaro be out...WILL it be out...will gm and mopar spend on dragracing when the braindeads in congress could get wind of it?

Let it run and then bitch...how can everyone be so upset when it hasn't even been in competition yet.

Oh yeah, it's a damn ford!

Bruce Noland · 01-21-2009, 07:19 PM

This isn't about a specific OEM - it's about a fair classification process. Sure some combinations will come up soft but I can't remember one being as far off as this car. Nothing personal at all. These cars may have some problems in the beginning, but you have to look at the caliber of people who are working on them. Then you know the best performance is right around the corner. John can straighten out anything with wheels. Let's watch.

goinbroke2 · 01-21-2009, 07:29 PM

"Let's watch. "

That's what I and others have been saying all along.

Jack Matyas · 01-21-2009, 07:34 PM

Bruce -- We finally agree on something -- "Let's Watch" . You're absolutely right about the caliber of people working on these cars -- smart people with all the right resources .Stock is no longer for the "Faint of Heart" and certainly not for the "Backyard Sportsman" as it was when we started -- they can compete just not at this high level . Things have changed as we go into '09 -- hopefully for the better !

Ed Fernandez · 01-21-2009, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Bruce -- We finally agree on something -- "Let's Watch" . You're absolutely right about the caliber of people working on these cars -- smart people with all the right resources .Stock is no longer for the "Faint of Heart" and certainly not for the "Backyard Sportsman" as it was when we started -- they can compete just not at this high level . Things have changed as we go into '09 -- hopefully for the better !

So 27 pages in it comes down to the fact that Stock is no longer for the "faint of heart" and the "back-
yard sportsman" which I guess translates to if you want to run AA to C if you dont have $$$$ coming
out of your *** go home little boy and let the real men play.Before the Mustang it was heading in that direction already,this accelerates the situation.
Just an observation from one of the unwashed masses.

Ed F.

Jack Matyas · 01-21-2009, 07:57 PM

Ed -- You left out the part where you and your little low buck car with "six in a row" can still win the eliminator .That fact alone should make you happy ! ! !

Ed Fernandez · 01-21-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Ed -- You left out the part where you and your little low buck car with "six in a row" can still win the eliminator .That fact alone should make you happy ! ! !

Jack;
It's not about me It's about the eliminator in general and how some selfish racers,a major car company and the
upper management of an organization who lives off the contributions of it's members and sponsors are
running down what we love to do.

Ed

Bruce Noland · 01-21-2009, 07:58 PM

Guys,
I am not suggesting that we should sit on our hands and watch the hammer drop.

01-21-2009, 05:38 PM	#1
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Factory experimental If NHRA or IHRA wanted to, they could take one to a chassis dyno and see what they make at the tires. The LT1 and LS1 cars made more at the rear tires than the factory flywheel ratings. Should be off about 15% with a stick car. My everyday driver is an untouched '98 WS6 (ram air) LS1 automatic Trans Am convert. It makes 326 at the tires. A decent stick version makes closer to 340. What are they finally factored at now?? Even if they started off with the rwhp numbers, it would surely be closer than what Ford (or any mfgr) rates them. Won't make everybody happy, but would be closer than advertised hp for sure. Could save a year or more with the AHFS handling it. Might cost somebody an hour's worth of time. You would want an untouched vehicle, not one that could have been de-tuned by the mfgr or racer before be presented for testing. NASCAR uses a Dynojet just like mine for spot testing cup cars after races to keep the different brands competitive with each other. Simplest thing it the world to do. The numbers can't be skewed by the operator as with many other brands. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-21-2009, 06:52 PM	#2
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,631 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Maybe nhra decided to drop them into Stock instead of coming out with a new F/X class because....well...mopar is now owned by fiat and basically broke and gm ain't far behind. The camaro was delayed because of an interior part couldn't be supplied because the supplier went bankrupt. When will the camaro be out...WILL it be out...will gm and mopar spend on dragracing when the braindeads in congress could get wind of it? Let it run and then bitch...how can everyone be so upset when it hasn't even been in competition yet. Oh yeah, it's a damn ford!

01-21-2009, 07:19 PM	#3
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental This isn't about a specific OEM - it's about a fair classification process. Sure some combinations will come up soft but I can't remember one being as far off as this car. Nothing personal at all. These cars may have some problems in the beginning, but you have to look at the caliber of people who are working on them. Then you know the best performance is right around the corner. John can straighten out anything with wheels. Let's watch. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-21-2009, 07:29 PM	#4
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,631 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Factory experimental "Let's watch. " That's what I and others have been saying all along.

01-21-2009, 07:34 PM	#5
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,931 Likes: 407 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bruce -- We finally agree on something -- "Let's Watch" . You're absolutely right about the caliber of people working on these cars -- smart people with all the right resources .Stock is no longer for the "Faint of Heart" and certainly not for the "Backyard Sportsman" as it was when we started -- they can compete just not at this high level . Things have changed as we go into '09 -- hopefully for the better ! __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

01-21-2009, 07:57 PM	#7
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,931 Likes: 407 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Ed -- You left out the part where you and your little low buck car with "six in a row" can still win the eliminator .That fact alone should make you happy ! ! ! __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO Last edited by Jack Matyas; 01-21-2009 at 08:00 PM.

01-21-2009, 07:58 PM	#9
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Guys, I am not suggesting that we should sit on our hands and watch the hammer drop. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK