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[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Robert Pare Racing

John, here's an idea..drive your own car and don't red light. If you can cut a bulb you don't need to worry about it. Think of having a slow car as leaving on a clean tree.

I agree with Robert about one thing. It all depends on how you're looking at the tree. That's why I don't stay up nights worrying about redlighting first.
On the other hand , I don't see any reason to not fix it, in this day and age.
Oh yes I do . It might help out a slower car once in a while. Just look at who's usually against this change.

"I need wheelie bars. I can't leave hard enough on the last bulb without them"
OK, no problem . Here ya' go. You slower cars can have them too.

"I don't like that deep staging thing. It might give a slower leaving car some flexibility in leaving on the last bulb"
Ok, let's take a poll. Guess what? There's more fast cars around now. Look who wins? Imagine that.

"I can't win class at Indy with my new A-B-C fi car. Help me out. Change that 40 year old rule."

OK, no problem. Let's take a poll. Guess what ? There's more class losers with 10 second cars nowadays . Look who wins this one?

to be continued...

[bill dedman]

This advice, "don't red light." is a lot like the advice, "WIN THE RACE."

Reminds me of that that one lady said, "It's the same every time; just BOOM BOOM BOOM, GO! Whats' the problem???"

LOL!

"Don't red light." Riiiiight..

It's nice that there's a sense of humor on this board.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Looks to me like a VERY GOOD reason to update to FIRST OR WORST on RED LIGHTS !!
Why should the fast cars get a FREE PASS on a slower car red lighting ??

I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me.

Ed F.

[Don Kennedy]

I think we should allow deep staging and use a instanct green , (ducking)

[Doug Blackley]

Scrap dial ins, everyone runs against the index and leaves off instant greens.

[bill dedman]

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

If I'm green then it's his turn.Nobody has the right to go read,just the chance.And if you think anything in real life is fair invite me to the planet you live on.My car can have real wild performance swings in varying weather conditions.Not fair compared to a big block with a lot of compression and a big carb.But I picked the combo and do the best I can with it.Maybe if more people just tried to figure out their combos there would be a lot less tension on this site.
Just get the AHFS squared away and let's race and eat well at the nightly get togethers.

Ed F.

[bill dedman]

Ed,

Life is not fair because we can't change everything to make it fair; I have never had quick reactions, but some people do; I could say, "that's not fair".... but there's nothing that can be done about it.

In order to make things as fair as we CAN, the things that CAN be changed to make it fair should be changed. If not, why have any rules at all?

This can be changed; my slow reaction time and your low-hp car that becomes inconsistent with weather changes, cannot.

You have to separate the "cans" from the "cannots".... and, go from there.

This one is a "can."

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Ed,

Life is not fair because we can't change everything to make it fair; I have nver had quick reactions, but some people do; I could say, "that's not fair".... but there's nothing that can be done about it.

In order to make things as fair as we CAN, the things that CAN be changed to make it fair should be changed. If not, why have any rules at all?

This can be changed; my slow reaction time and your low-hp car that becomes inconsistent with weather changes, cannot.

You have to separate the "can's" from the "cannots".... and, go from there.

This one is a "can."

Bill actually it's a WHY?It has worked well since 1963.
I suck at doing things on the computer.Maybe someone can start a drivers poll with the question "Should the red light rule be changed".Drivers only,we're most affected by it.Sorry Bill,unless you want to fork over #50 to our friends in Glendora.LOL.

Ed

[bill dedman]

"It has worked well since 1963"

It has?
On what level?

In actuality is has screwed every first-to-leave driver who ever red-lighted since 1963 because his competitor was given the gift of not have to operate under the possible jeopardy of a red light, once the first guy messed up. Why should anyone be awarded this "gift"?

Two different set of conditions for two otherwise equal competitors; you left first and redlighted so I won't have to worry about it, since I'm driving the last car to leave. Lucky me....

You call that "working"???

It's no longer NECESSARY to have two sets of conditions; they can be EQUAL.

Don't you think they should be EQUAL, Ed?

They're not.

You ask "WHY?" (Why should this be changed?)

Because it's the logical thing to do if you want to keep the chances of winning as equal as possible for EVERYONE.

This is not just about slow cars; if an A/SA car runs a B/SA car, they're both high hp cars and both fast, but in all likelihood, the B/SA car will leave first, and if he red lights, he just gave the A/SA car a free ride to the winners circle, and the A/SA didn''t have to do a THING to earn it.

Let's make him earn it; he never had his chance to red light.... and, by all rights, he should have to, just like the guy in the other lane.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.