Ts/td

Mark Yacavone · 08-09-2009, 11:45 PM

I thought TS/TD were already National classes?
Didn't ND list them in the 4- 5 category winners last week? I'm surprised nobody commented on it then.

John Mason · 08-10-2009, 11:33 AM

They aren't at National events yet but they are at most divisionals now.
Not to be contrary (not me!) but I would welcome them at Nationals IF they replaced S/G and S/C. No bog, dial in racing is something the fans can understand and we (S & S/S) might watch. Mid to high 6 second, 200 MPH + cars could be interesting.
S/G and S/C, throw away your throttle stops and go racing.

THE LEGEND · 08-10-2009, 11:41 AM

Mason,
Be careful what you wish for it may backfire. .90 has more cars and less tech than S/SS. Which one goes first?
Chip

gt_diesel · 08-10-2009, 11:50 AM

I believe that Stock and Superstock have a lot of history and should continue to be run at National Events...

I also feel that Top Sportsman / Top Dragster should be run at Nationals as well. The TS/TD cars are fast and exciting to watch. People would much rather see 6 second 200 mile per hour cars than somthing slower.

I do believe that the problem comes with the Super Gas / Super Comp cars... Nothing is more irritating than a throttle stop in my opinion!!! But there are soo many guys running these "Super" classes that it is more likely for NHRA to push out the Stock and SuperStock guys... Unfortunate, but it appears this is the way things are going.

Charlie Yannetti · 08-10-2009, 12:02 PM

If you guys remember, X-TECH and I threw this out there a few months ago.... we kinda said, "watch out for T/D and T/S".... may reasons were simple.... dollars and cents.... which to NHRA is interpreted as SENSE MAKES DOLLARS....

At the National Event at E-town, NHRA was short staffed in both the parking and tech areas.... taking that into consideration, I felt that they may have been testing the waters just to see how many staff people they can do without... a lot of people, me included, complained about getting there early, only to sit outside in a field for 4 to 6 hours... the explanation was short staffing.... WHY????... maybe just a test... but I'm not laughing....

Dropping Comp, Stock and S/S would look to be a natural move if you're sitting in the NHRA board room... you would be dropping classes that require a lot of tech people and time, but replacing them with classes that need a lot less to run.... and that means dollars and cents....

Just my opinion, but the .90 classes aren't going anywhere, and T/D and T/S are coming in....

gt_diesel · 08-10-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Yannetti

If you guys remember, X-TECH and I threw this out there a few months ago.... we kinda said, "watch out for T/D and T/S".... may reasons were simple.... dollars and cents.... which to NHRA is interpreted as SENSE MAKES DOLLARS....

At the National Event at E-town, NHRA was short staffed in both the parking and tech areas.... taking that into consideration, I felt that they may have been testing the waters just to see how many staff people they can do without... a lot of people, me included, complained about getting there early, only to sit outside in a field for 4 to 6 hours... the explanation was short staffing.... WHY????... maybe just a test... but I'm not laughing....

Dropping Comp, Stock and S/S would look to be a natural move if you're sitting in the NHRA board room... you would be dropping classes that require a lot of tech people and time, but replacing them with classes that need a lot less to run.... and that means dollars and cents....

Just my opinion, but the .90 classes aren't going anywhere, and T/D and T/S are coming in....

That is an unfortunate fact for the stock / superstock guys... Even with all its history, it is not a money maker for NHRA anymore... A class of the past... I already know many who have turned there stock / superstock cars into .90 or bracket cars... One of which being a former National Record Holder!!!

NHRA is in the business of making money... T/S and T/D are their best bet right now...

On a side note, if NHRA was to get with the times, they would get rid of Pro Stock Bike and replace it with Pro Modified.

Bart Kilraine · 08-10-2009, 01:11 PM

I wonder if they will all cry they can't get stoped and want to run an 1/8 mile?

X-TECH MAN · 08-10-2009, 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=gt_diesel

On a side note, if NHRA was to get with the times, they would get rid of Pro Stock Bike and replace it with Pro Modified.[/QUOTE]

As long as KOW-A-SUCKIE and SUCK-A SUKIE throws money at NHRA they wont be going anywhere.

BKSG1198 · 08-10-2009, 02:34 PM

I do think how funny it is that NHRA is banking off an original IHRA class from 15-20 years ago and IHRA is the one that is in "BIG" trouble. Pro Mod, T/S, T/D all IHRA original classes that NHRA has taken and used for profit. I really think Comp is the one in trouble if this all goes down. IHRA got rid of the "Modified Production" class a few years ago and have all the classes still there. You look at it this way, maybe at a National Event Comp draws between 24 and 36 cars thats $9,720 for 36 cars plus if there is any crew you need to get in. T/S and T/D is about 32 to 45 cars deep per class. As long as NHRA doesn't give them special deals and make them "not pay" they make out in the deal. Say the 1st T/D and T/S race they have draws 45 cars in both classes. Thats $24,300 for total entries into the race plus crew giving NHRA a extra $ 14,500 if they drop Comp and add T/D and T/S to their pocket books. They would lose out if they drop Stock, SS, the .90 Classes cause between all of those classes they draw about 65 to 110 cars PER CLASS. Like I said I don't want to see any classes get dropped and I hope nobody does but, you know it's going to happen. They already hurry up and run everyone on Thursday and Friday in the sportsman classes and if you can't sit and watch 8 pairs of each .90 class and Stk and SS on a Saturday/Sunday do you really belong at the track? If people only knew how close some of that racing really is...down to the ten-thousanths of a second in some races...when was the last time you saw that in T/F? Just my 14 cents...

08-09-2009, 11:45 PM	#1
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,845 Likes: 2,936 Liked 5,155 Times in 1,968 Posts	Re: Ts/td I thought TS/TD were already National classes? Didn't ND list them in the 4- 5 category winners last week? I'm surprised nobody commented on it then. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

08-10-2009, 11:33 AM	#2
John Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ts/td They aren't at National events yet but they are at most divisionals now. Not to be contrary (not me!) but I would welcome them at Nationals IF they replaced S/G and S/C. No bog, dial in racing is something the fans can understand and we (S & S/S) might watch. Mid to high 6 second, 200 MPH + cars could be interesting. S/G and S/C, throw away your throttle stops and go racing. __________________ John Mason 7743 SS

08-10-2009, 11:41 AM	#3
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Ts/td Mason, Be careful what you wish for it may backfire. .90 has more cars and less tech than S/SS. Which one goes first? Chip

08-10-2009, 11:50 AM	#4
gt_diesel Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lebanon, Maine Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ts/td I believe that Stock and Superstock have a lot of history and should continue to be run at National Events... I also feel that Top Sportsman / Top Dragster should be run at Nationals as well. The TS/TD cars are fast and exciting to watch. People would much rather see 6 second 200 mile per hour cars than somthing slower. I do believe that the problem comes with the Super Gas / Super Comp cars... Nothing is more irritating than a throttle stop in my opinion!!! But there are soo many guys running these "Super" classes that it is more likely for NHRA to push out the Stock and SuperStock guys... Unfortunate, but it appears this is the way things are going. __________________ IHRA Top Sportsman 178X Blown Alcohol Corvette

08-10-2009, 12:02 PM	#5
Charlie Yannetti Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alpine, NJ Posts: 568 Likes: 188 Liked 192 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Ts/td If you guys remember, X-TECH and I threw this out there a few months ago.... we kinda said, "watch out for T/D and T/S".... may reasons were simple.... dollars and cents.... which to NHRA is interpreted as SENSE MAKES DOLLARS.... At the National Event at E-town, NHRA was short staffed in both the parking and tech areas.... taking that into consideration, I felt that they may have been testing the waters just to see how many staff people they can do without... a lot of people, me included, complained about getting there early, only to sit outside in a field for 4 to 6 hours... the explanation was short staffing.... WHY????... maybe just a test... but I'm not laughing.... Dropping Comp, Stock and S/S would look to be a natural move if you're sitting in the NHRA board room... you would be dropping classes that require a lot of tech people and time, but replacing them with classes that need a lot less to run.... and that means dollars and cents.... Just my opinion, but the .90 classes aren't going anywhere, and T/D and T/S are coming in....

08-10-2009, 01:11 PM	#7
Bart Kilraine Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrolltown,PA Posts: 119 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Ts/td I wonder if they will all cry they can't get stoped and want to run an 1/8 mile?

08-10-2009, 01:49 PM	#8
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Ts/td [QUOTE=gt_diesel On a side note, if NHRA was to get with the times, they would get rid of Pro Stock Bike and replace it with Pro Modified.[/QUOTE] As long as KOW-A-SUCKIE and SUCK-A SUKIE throws money at NHRA they wont be going anywhere.

08-10-2009, 02:34 PM	#9
BKSG1198 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 2,652 Likes: 96 Liked 1,311 Times in 401 Posts	Re: Ts/td I do think how funny it is that NHRA is banking off an original IHRA class from 15-20 years ago and IHRA is the one that is in "BIG" trouble. Pro Mod, T/S, T/D all IHRA original classes that NHRA has taken and used for profit. I really think Comp is the one in trouble if this all goes down. IHRA got rid of the "Modified Production" class a few years ago and have all the classes still there. You look at it this way, maybe at a National Event Comp draws between 24 and 36 cars thats $9,720 for 36 cars plus if there is any crew you need to get in. T/S and T/D is about 32 to 45 cars deep per class. As long as NHRA doesn't give them special deals and make them "not pay" they make out in the deal. Say the 1st T/D and T/S race they have draws 45 cars in both classes. Thats $24,300 for total entries into the race plus crew giving NHRA a extra $ 14,500 if they drop Comp and add T/D and T/S to their pocket books. They would lose out if they drop Stock, SS, the .90 Classes cause between all of those classes they draw about 65 to 110 cars PER CLASS. Like I said I don't want to see any classes get dropped and I hope nobody does but, you know it's going to happen. They already hurry up and run everyone on Thursday and Friday in the sportsman classes and if you can't sit and watch 8 pairs of each .90 class and Stk and SS on a Saturday/Sunday do you really belong at the track? If people only knew how close some of that racing really is...down to the ten-thousanths of a second in some races...when was the last time you saw that in T/F? Just my 14 cents...