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Old 11-12-2009, 11:26 PM   #61
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I'm sorry that it took me so long to chime in on this thread (especially once Mr Ed from New Joisey had to remind us about a thread spoken about earlier this year)? I agreed with you then, and I agree with you now...and btw, it didn't take me long to see that what you spoke of makes since, but neither of those Ed's or Alan want to see the logic of yours and Marks logistics, so what can we say??? By the way Mr. Ed (F that is), I DO RACE STOCK, I DO HAVE A CAR, AND THUS I DO HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, SO THERE!!! DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK OUT DRAG RACE CENTRAL (FROM LAST WEEK)!!!

Alan brought up some good points about other issues facing our classes, but as someone else stated earlier, they had nothing to do with the title of this thread "QUESTIONS CONCERNING CHRISTMAS TREE"!

Bill, I know that it's likely hopeless that logic will prevail in this case, but I thought I was hopeless in getting my non-turboed V6 taken out of a class that favored turbo-charged 2.2 Mopars, Quad4 Oldsmobiles, and Aluminum headed V6's (when mine is cast-iron). After years of sending requests to Glendora, and years of them seeing me at the bottom of all the qualifying list, they finally placed my car where it belongs, and last weekends qualifying list (107th out of 122 cars), is proof that what's fair for the goose can be fair for the gander. Let's not give up hope just yet....
What is it?A chihwawa?At least you race S/SS.I feel the rule has been in effect all this time and I have no problem with it.
I see you were in Vegas and was a contributor to the payees.Coulda taken that $170 or so and went to one of the casinos and thrown it down on red or black.
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Old 11-13-2009, 01:02 PM   #62
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ANOTHER RIPOFF !!!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7511 Ted Seipel .......... 7312 George Stassi
E1 -0.005 11.325 114.31 ...... ****WINNER**** -0.032 10.116 130.42
SS/KA Dial: 11.31 (+/-): 0.015 ...... SS/HA Dial: 10.01 (+/-): 0.106
Qualified: #64 11.283 -0.267 ..... #30 10.012 -0.888

Ouch! Seipel goes red by -0.005 to give the win to Stassi.
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:56 PM   #63
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ANOTHER RIPOFF !!!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7511 Ted Seipel .......... 7312 George Stassi
E1 -0.005 11.325 114.31 ...... ****WINNER**** -0.032 10.116 130.42
SS/KA Dial: 11.31 (+/-): 0.015 ...... SS/HA Dial: 10.01 (+/-): 0.106
Qualified: #64 11.283 -0.267 ..... #30 10.012 -0.888

Ouch! Seipel goes red by -0.005 to give the win to Stassi.
Rip off???????? You're nuts.Must be something in the air in the Texas,Arkansas area.
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Old 11-13-2009, 04:29 PM   #64
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If that had been a breakout instead of a red light (with those numbers), the other guy would have won.

Tell me, Ed, why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?

Show me some of that NEW YAWK "logic" that will explain away this totally different result from one instance wherein the worse infraction gets the loss (breakout), but in the other (first red light) , the worse infraction gets the win.

That's with today's antiquated rules....

I need to hear the NEW YAWK logic of that to understand your comment about Texas/Arkansas...
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Old 11-13-2009, 04:49 PM   #65
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{why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?}

If you're going to use this logic, do some further analysis adding margin of victory into the equation:

In a double breakout situation was the racer further under his dial and also through the finish line first?
If so the racer broke out first AND broke out by more.
Therefore first and worst.

In the races I have lost on a double breakout I have taken the stripe
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Lets look at the FACTS; If you are complaining about this rule then, therefore, you must be loosing enough races by redlight to do so, right? Isnt that why you are arguing this point? If so, then you are redlighting too much! Look and see how many times you have lost in a year by redlight and ask yourself if the rule was different, would I have won? If you have to ask yourself that, its too many times. If you are loosing enough races to want this rule changed then you need to fix your problem. There is your legitimate argument.
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:48 PM   #67
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If that had been a breakout instead of a red light (with those numbers), the other guy would have won.

Tell me, Ed, why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?

Show me some of that NEW YAWK "logic" that will explain away this totally different result from one instance wherein the worse infraction gets the loss (breakout), but in the other (first red light) , the worse infraction gets the win.

That's with today's antiquated rules....

I need to hear the NEW YAWK logic of that to understand your comment about Texas/Arkansas...
What K Stubbs said,for starters.If enough S/SS racers wanted the rule changed they would flood NHRA with requests,accompanied by their S/SS comp. number.That would disqualify non competitors and
wannabes.
You Live in Ark. and Mr Kelly lives in Texas,get the connection?You both seem to be obsessive/compulsive on this matter.Maybe some more time at the senior center will cure that.
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what k stubbs said,for starters.if enough s/ss racers wanted the rule changed they would flood nhra with requests,accompanied by their s/ss comp. Number.that would disqualify non competitors and
wannabes.
You live in ark. And mr kelly lives in texas,get the connection?you both seem to be obsessive/compulsive on this matter.maybe some more time at the senior center will cure that.
You don't have a legitimate reason not to change it and make it right so you mount a personal attack ???
So...so Nu Joisy......
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:59 PM   #69
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You don't have a legitimate reason not to change it and make it right so you mount a personal attack ???
So...so Nu Joisy......
Funny you should complain about a personal attack.

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If your contentration is so bad that you need a "clean" tree then you can build a slower car !!
Or they can put blinders the tree......
The "clean tree" BS is so lame...........you need to work on your concentration !!!
The personal attack doesn't bother me at all, I can take it. Hell, like I said, I've never claimed to be a great driver. The hypocrisy is hilarious though. Thanks for the laugh.
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Lets look at the FACTS; If you are complaining about this rule then, therefore, you must be loosing enough races by redlight to do so, right? Isnt that why you are arguing this point? If so, then you are redlighting too much! Look and see how many times you have lost in a year by redlight and ask yourself if the rule was different, would I have won? If you have to ask yourself that, its too many times. If you are loosing enough races to want this rule changed then you need to fix your problem. There is your legitimate argument.
No, Kevin, I have never lost a race due to this first red light rule.

Believe it or not, there are people in this world who have reasons for wanting things that are not necessarily beneficial to THEM. Because this rule potentially affects every handicap race that's run (every round), the number of people over the last 36 years who have lost races because they were the first to leave (something they had no control over), and red lighted, thereby depriving the second car to leave of HIS chance to red light, must be staggering. This can happen to an O/SA car racing a N/SA, as easily as it can an A/SA car running against a B/SA car.

In no way, is it the playground of the V/SA and W/SA cars; nobody (except the AA cars) is exempt.

AND, WHEN AND IF it ever gets into usage, (which I doubt), all it will do to the AA cars is put them in the same red light jeopardy that the rest of the cars have always been in. That is, they will now have a chance to red light (even though the slower car alreday bulbed), whereas, as things stand now, the only way they're EVER in redlight jeopardy, is if the first car to leave goes green.... and, they're ALWAYS the second to leave.

I have been a fan of drag racing since 1955, and it took me until about 2004, and to have some guy a lot smarter than I was, (and, that's not hard at all...) to explain this worse red light system to me, before I could grasp the significance of it. It took me awhile (weeks) to really understand exactly what was going on. I was so used to it being the way it was, I just wasn't equipped to really absorb what it all meant... but after a (long) while, I did have the light above my head tun on....

I love drag racing; always have.... and this FIRST red light system has been a carbunkle on the playing field, in my perception, anyway, ever since I finally "got it", after years and years of accepting it the way it was....

I'd like to see it fixed for everybody's benefit.... not just mine. I don't race that much....
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