Titles and Race Cars - Page 2

Wade Mahaffey · 12-02-2009, 08:50 AM

Would you buy a house with no deed? The bottom line is, if you paid for it you need the highest level of document available! If you intend to spend your money on upgrades, make sure it's completely yours. If that car ever had a title, you want it to be in your possession when you open your wallet. If it was a professionally built race car (dragster,pro stock, panel car, body in white, etc) the bill of sale with ID number would be the highest level of document. I had a buddy call me about a Corvette he had found. He knew that I wanted one for my next build. It can be seen here on CR under my photos. I was a little nervous about a Corvette (chop shops, modifications, chassis swaps, documents etc.) and he had a title. I had him meet me at the State Motor Vehicle Admin., and when the car was cleared (theft) and the title was placed in my name I paid the man in cash and recieved a receipt from him. I still was a little nervous untill I pulled the body off the frame, and located the ID number stamped in the frame where it was supposed to be and matched my title to the letter! Then I started to spend my time and more money! Whoever has the title can and will come and get your car with your upgrades! Make it a clean deal, then go and enjoy yourself. Don't worry if the other guy has a title or not, make sure your stuff is right! Wade

Bobby Zlatkin · 12-02-2009, 10:39 AM

Just having a notorized "Bill of Sale" is not enough (although better than nothing) if someone else shows up with a legit title. That will superseed your notorized "bill of sale".
And just because a stocker or super stocker doesn't have a serial number doesn't mean the hidden numbers can't be found to determine true identity,

63corvette · 12-02-2009, 10:40 AM

Last summer during a traffic stop a friend was asked for a title to a S/G car by the Texas Highway Patrol. It is a tube frame car so there was no state title.
He had a bill of sale he carried all the time and that was good enough for them.
I guess it is a good idea to carry some sort of documentation. After his issue I now carry the same thing for mine in the trailer.
My 2 Cents

12-02-2009, 02:25 PM

All points are well taken, and I fully understand guys, and if I had a serious buyer I would pursue a title because I know the origin of the car (from when it was built as a race car). Anything is possible these days so I appreciate the input.

12-02-2009, 02:28 PM

Thanks Jim, I really appreciate the way you put it.

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Terrance, I think it is more uncommon for a Stocker or Super Stocker not to have a title than many here want to admit, however, I would NOT want to buy a car, any car, without a proper title. Florida law states "Any vehicle traveling over Florida roads or highways must have a proper title and proof of insurance". I have only been asked for the proof of title for a race car once in 40 years of traveling over the highways in any state, and it was in Florida. I was told the insurance thing was not a problem since the car didn't actually "drive" on the road. The title was another thing. Most if not all Comp or Pro cars have VIN numbers placed on them by the builder and the buyer gets a "competition automobile bill of sale". These have pretty much been excepted by law enforcement from what I have heard. Back many years ago I drove a race car provided to us by Cadillac and GM. It had no VIN because it was a "pilot vehicle". In other words, officially it basically was a parts car. We had a well documented letter from GM stating the car was given to us for racing purposes only. The letter was very official and had phone numbers and addresses for verification. There are ways to get "junk" titles or "hot rod" titles here in Florida and in Georgia. Worth looking into. All cars really need a title. Jim

12-02-2009, 02:36 PM

Wade,

I wouldn't buy a house without a deed but think thats apples and oranges, we're talking cars. No I wouldn't buy a street car without a title either. A race car however, if I had a notorized bill of sale and there was no title ad it was a well known car then yes. In the case of my vehicle to my knowlegde it has had three owners in its life time as a race car, some of the members have seen this car from it's origin. There are certain racers who have worked on this race whom I will not name because it's not their issue. I think if this vehicle was not legit it would have been found out years ago as the car was heavy on the circuit back in the 80's. If you look at my photos you will see the name of the original owner and driver on the side of it.
There is one thing for certain that would sell it other than having a title and it's price. I'm offering a basic product tat nots perfect but for the money its a great deal I think. I bet if I offered the car as it sits for $5k it would be gone tommorrow, becuase americans are looking for that deal to take advantage of folks. I guess I will have to eat it, I'm not going to give it away.
Thanks for the response.

Terrance

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Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

Would you buy a house with no deed? The bottom line is, if you paid for it you need the highest level of document available! If you intend to spend your money on upgrades, make sure it's completely yours. If that car ever had a title, you want it to be in your possession when you open your wallet. If it was a professionally built race car (dragster,pro stock, panel car, body in white, etc) the bill of sale with ID number would be the highest level of document. I had a buddy call me about a Corvette he had found. He knew that I wanted one for my next build. It can be seen here on CR under my photos. I was a little nervous about a Corvette (chop shops, modifications, chassis swaps, documents etc.) and he had a title. I had him meet me at the State Motor Vehicle Admin., and when the car was cleared (theft) and the title was placed in my name I paid the man in cash and recieved a receipt from him. I still was a little nervous untill I pulled the body off the frame, and located the ID number stamped in the frame where it was supposed to be and matched my title to the letter! Then I started to spend my time and more money! Whoever has the title can and will come and get your car with your upgrades! Make it a clean deal, then go and enjoy yourself. Don't worry if the other guy has a title or not, make sure your stuff is right! Wade

Jim Wahl · 12-02-2009, 02:45 PM

I hope what I wrote will help you Smitty. I know personally that what you are asking for your car will be a great deal for someone! I have seen the car and seen it run. It is a very nice race car, even if it is a FORD! I hate to see you sell it. Jim

Blackgar · 12-02-2009, 03:05 PM

As long as you have a noterized bill of sale identifying the car you should be ok. I've gone to Mexico many times with all of mine, all being "body in white cars" & never had a problem

Ven302 · 12-02-2009, 04:58 PM

Terrance
I had a customer show me a Mustang from Florida for sale, he wanted to bring it back to Canada, the seller seemed miffed that a title was important. It is important specifically to someone who is buying a car mainly over the internet. As well it is nice to have the document, makes putting it into his name with an Ontario ownership that much easier to go racing in the good old USA. Needless to say the response was enough to make the interested party back far away from what looked like a pretty good deal. It would make sense in todays world to have all the documentation in the world when you are selling a car. Understanding the frustration of trying to sell your "baby" why would you not want to open up to the Canadian market, specifically with the dollar so favourable to us right now?

greg fulk · 12-02-2009, 06:52 PM

the factory Olds car have NO VIN! so none of them have a title! Do the East Taxas cars come with a title?

12-02-2009, 08:50 AM	#11
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars Would you buy a house with no deed? The bottom line is, if you paid for it you need the highest level of document available! If you intend to spend your money on upgrades, make sure it's completely yours. If that car ever had a title, you want it to be in your possession when you open your wallet. If it was a professionally built race car (dragster,pro stock, panel car, body in white, etc) the bill of sale with ID number would be the highest level of document. I had a buddy call me about a Corvette he had found. He knew that I wanted one for my next build. It can be seen here on CR under my photos. I was a little nervous about a Corvette (chop shops, modifications, chassis swaps, documents etc.) and he had a title. I had him meet me at the State Motor Vehicle Admin., and when the car was cleared (theft) and the title was placed in my name I paid the man in cash and recieved a receipt from him. I still was a little nervous untill I pulled the body off the frame, and located the ID number stamped in the frame where it was supposed to be and matched my title to the letter! Then I started to spend my time and more money! Whoever has the title can and will come and get your car with your upgrades! Make it a clean deal, then go and enjoy yourself. Don't worry if the other guy has a title or not, make sure your stuff is right! Wade

12-02-2009, 10:39 AM	#12
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars Just having a notorized "Bill of Sale" is not enough (although better than nothing) if someone else shows up with a legit title. That will superseed your notorized "bill of sale". And just because a stocker or super stocker doesn't have a serial number doesn't mean the hidden numbers can't be found to determine true identity, __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

12-02-2009, 10:40 AM	#13
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 551 Likes: 127 Liked 353 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars Last summer during a traffic stop a friend was asked for a title to a S/G car by the Texas Highway Patrol. It is a tube frame car so there was no state title. He had a bill of sale he carried all the time and that was good enough for them. I guess it is a good idea to carry some sort of documentation. After his issue I now carry the same thing for mine in the trailer. My 2 Cents

12-02-2009, 02:25 PM	#14
Terrance Smith Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Titles and Race Cars All points are well taken, and I fully understand guys, and if I had a serious buyer I would pursue a title because I know the origin of the car (from when it was built as a race car). Anything is possible these days so I appreciate the input.

12-02-2009, 02:45 PM	#17
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars I hope what I wrote will help you Smitty. I know personally that what you are asking for your car will be a great deal for someone! I have seen the car and seen it run. It is a very nice race car, even if it is a FORD! I hate to see you sell it. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

12-02-2009, 03:05 PM	#18
Blackgar Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 119 Likes: 1 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars As long as you have a noterized bill of sale identifying the car you should be ok. I've gone to Mexico many times with all of mine, all being "body in white cars" & never had a problem

12-02-2009, 04:58 PM	#19
Ven302 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stoney Creek Posts: 262 Likes: 41 Liked 34 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars Terrance I had a customer show me a Mustang from Florida for sale, he wanted to bring it back to Canada, the seller seemed miffed that a title was important. It is important specifically to someone who is buying a car mainly over the internet. As well it is nice to have the document, makes putting it into his name with an Ontario ownership that much easier to go racing in the good old USA. Needless to say the response was enough to make the interested party back far away from what looked like a pretty good deal. It would make sense in todays world to have all the documentation in the world when you are selling a car. Understanding the frustration of trying to sell your "baby" why would you not want to open up to the Canadian market, specifically with the dollar so favourable to us right now?

12-02-2009, 06:52 PM	#20
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Titles and Race Cars the factory Olds car have NO VIN! so none of them have a title! Do the East Taxas cars come with a title? __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"